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31 minutes ago, Rippounet said:

That bit is common to every article about climate change now, and yet some people still don't believe it:

 

I am not parsing what you are saying there.

As an historian I have been thinking about the loss of the past to climate change for decades, and particularly so since 2005 and what happened in New Orleans.  All the places that mean personally just about everything to me personally are also places where humanity's civilization was created and continued: on the banks of rivers and coasts of seas and ocean.  Where I have lived most of my life is one of them.

But beyond that I also was thinking of this as a young child, in a place that while on the prairie and the interior of the country -- I saw places in the 'town' lost forever to spring flooding of the Red River of the North.  I experienced our farm's home place lose items forever to spring flooding of the crick that dried up all together in summer.  I could see as a child the past being displaced by the present -- and the idea of the future.  Which I did understand in many ways was unavoidable for the good of the present, and maybe the future.

But when there is no better future to be had? When we've lost the majority of resources due to previous extraction and poison -- such as the oceans and rivers, streams and cricks themselves -- as on the prairies due to the run off from factory pig farming and so much else?

The more people who say these things in more places maybe more people will be persuaded to get outside and demand some change? 

Or -- maybe --let's accept there can be no change, it's too late, so continue to party like it's 1999.  All my life I've been living with the idea that a 'real end' was more than possible, due to nuclear holocaust. So, well, whatever -- it's happening, gonna happen. So what.

 

 

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@op

Why has no one just suggested putting a massive pair of sunglasses into solar orbit between us and the sun?  Might take a few tries to get the polarization/tint right but fuck probabaly better than anything you dumbfucks have suggested.

Eta: 

B)

 

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Disturbingly, I am running across more and more objections to Climate Change as a concept on religious grounds.  The posters, (commenting on climate change articles) appear to be completely dead serious about this.   

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9 hours ago, ThinkerX said:

Disturbingly, I am running across more and more objections to Climate Change as a concept on religious grounds.  The posters, (commenting on climate change articles) appear to be completely dead serious about this.   

Religion tends to be the last refuge of the incompetent. 

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18 hours ago, Zorral said:

I am not parsing what you are saying there.

I was alluding to this kind of thing:

13 hours ago, ThinkerX said:

Disturbingly, I am running across more and more objections to Climate Change as a concept on religious grounds.  The posters, (commenting on climate change articles) appear to be completely dead serious about this.   

Yup, same here. Lots of people don't believe climate change could be the end of civilization because "God wouldn't allow it" or "the end times will only happen when God wills it" or variations thereof.

Too many people are in denial.

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They seem to have forgotten entirely about The Flood, and the promise of the rainbow sign, "Not water but the fire next time."

Anyway don't all these types believe in the end times and the rapture, so wot the eff does it matter to them?

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2 hours ago, Zorral said:

Anyway don't all these types believe in the end times and the rapture, so wot the eff does it matter to them?

They believe the left is using climate change to push its agenda...
They're not entirely wrong but then, it's not like the right is proposing much to address the issue.

And speaking of which, Time has a special climate issue this month... I guess the editors were shooting for something uplifting, but that's hardly the result imho. Some highlights:
- Bill McKibben's "2050: How Earth Survived" article in which not only a Democratic president is elected in 2020 thanks to a series of disasters in Louisiana and Mississippi in the months before the election, but public pressure somehow convinces Congress to act and thus America "cease blocking progress" and investment in fossil-fuel stocks peters out on Wall Street. Then China and India follow the lead... etc. It's all quite optimistic to say the least - and yet the article is careful to say even that is barely enough to prevent catastrophe.
- Former Paris mayor Anne Hidalgo defending her initiatives (converting a few Parisian highways into promenades, restricting the use of the oldest vehicles, pushing for more bicycles... ). Except when you're on the ground you know that these measures have had a rather limited impact and are still highly controversial. Dat's really a political piece. Mercifully short though.
- An article by the managing director of Japan's "Government Pension Investment Fund" saying that "we could divest from certain carbon-intensive industries" but other investors would just step in so they prefer "encourag[ing] companies with a large carbon-intensive footprint to adopt a more sustainable business model."

That last bit is especially galling because what it says is that instead of just stopping to invest in the worst industries what is done is "encouragement." Supposedly this leads to "many companies [...] making a dramatic push to improve their ESG (environmental, social and governance) profile."
And those were some of the more uplifting articles, basically describing baby steps in the right direction. I'll let you imagine what the other articles (on the Amazon rainforest or the "hottest city on Earth") say.
The overall message, although probably not the one intended, is that we're screwed. We're getting +3°C or +4°C whatever we do, and the initiatives described do not even begin to compensate for the harm done by the likes of Bolsonaro and Trump. I'm comforted in my idea that humanity will only start acting once we've already reached somewhere around +2°C, which means we'll get +5°C at the very least.

 

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Which means the oceans, the poles, the forests, most animals, birds and insects and people are dead, or at best, gasping for breath for about 30 seconds more.

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On 9/17/2019 at 6:05 PM, ThinkerX said:

Disturbingly, I am running across more and more objections to Climate Change as a concept on religious grounds.  The posters, (commenting on climate change articles) appear to be completely dead serious about this.   

Debatable whether these people are most contemptible or the people who have issues with birth control for any reason.  

Of course, sometimes it's the same people holding both views.  

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2 hours ago, Triskele said:

Debatable whether these people are most contemptible or the people who have issues with birth control for any reason.  

Of course, sometimes it's the same people holding both views.  

given that something on the order of 1/5th of the US populace is a fundamentalist christian of one stripe or another, it's likely both. fundamentalist Christianity is a self contained bubble universe.

 

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What should be done about climate catastrophe?  Make money from it, of course!

https://slate.com/business/2019/09/climate-change-crisis-companies-rich-lucky-farming-firefighting.html

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Below, you’ll find stories about the inevitable next level of corporate consciousness: people who have positioned themselves to make money as the planet warms. Theirs are assets for which demand rises along with CO2 levels in the atmosphere; you can think of them as climate goods.

The moral valence here is murky. This is not a package about bankers getting rich while the world burns. In some cases, the line between getting rich and providing an essential adaptation service is not so clear. The two fastest-growing occupations in the United States, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, are solar panel installers and wind turbine technicians.

But winning, of course, is only a relative term. There is no point where we choose between global cataclysm and cooperative carbon phaseout—it will be one and then the other, a centurylong dance between destruction and adaptation. One day, your business is set up to help the world mange its warming oceans. The next, it has been destroyed by a hurricane.
—Henry Grabar

 

 

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2 hours ago, Jace, Basilissa said:

Legalize murder.

If the worst case scenario starts to play out will there not be politicians that run on exacting vengeance against those still living that can be blamed?  

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10 minutes ago, Triskele said:

If the worst case scenario starts to play out will there not be politicians that run on exacting vengeance against those still living that can be blamed?  

Which one of my campaign managers talked? Tell me now and I'll only kill his entire extended family. Amnesty for the individual who helps repair this breach of confidence is a matter of course, of course.

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On 9/18/2019 at 10:49 PM, ThinkerX said:

given that something on the order of 1/5th of the US populace is a fundamentalist christian of one stripe or another, it's likely both. fundamentalist Christianity is a self contained bubble universe.

 

Hmm, I remember this Vice documentary a few years ago about how some Texans were dealing with the drought during the time. Some Christians went imo full “primitive” and started literally holding sermons outside begging for rain. I fully expect many Americans to act the same way even while cities and states are submerged under water and proceed to ask god for help rather than forcing the government to try to combat climate change(though perhaps it’d be too late anyway).

On 9/18/2019 at 8:29 PM, Triskele said:

Debatable whether these people are most contemptible or the people who have issues with birth control for any reason.  

Of course, sometimes it's the same people holding both views.  

I would say typically.

On 9/18/2019 at 12:08 PM, Zorral said:

They seem to have forgotten entirely about The Flood, and the promise of the rainbow sign, "Not water but the fire next time."

Anyway don't all these types believe in the end times and the rapture, so wot the eff does it matter to them?

Yes. God is the ruler of the universe so obviously he has everything under control. Hell even if the worst predicted consequences for climate change comes true, they’ll still take that as simply evidence that the rapture is fast approaching and buckle down on their dogma.

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9 hours ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

Hmm, I remember this Vice documentary a few years ago about how some Texans were dealing with the drought during the time. Some Christians went imo full “primitive” and started literally holding sermons outside begging for rain. I fully expect many Americans to act the same way even while cities and states are submerged under water and proceed to ask god for help rather than forcing the government to try to combat climate change(though perhaps it’d be too late anyway)

Back during a terrible midwestern drought, my family's pastor and congregation, went out into a field with a big kettle of water, threw it up in the air, sprinkled it on the ground and begged for rain.  I couldn't believe it -- back in the day the previous pastor would have condemned them all as superstitious, anti-believers in the true faith.  This was when the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod turned into a backward, anti-everything, from a very text-based faith -- the texts being the Bible, particularly the New Testament, Martin Luther's Catechism and his other writings, those writings of other protestant pioneers, and history.

 

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16 minutes ago, A True Kaniggit said:

Wait. The climate is trying to kill us?

We should kill it first!

That will be the next step: schemes to deliberately modify the climate on a large scale.  I seem to remember a 'B' movie or two where such schemes resulted in a global ice age.

 

That said, the logical extension of 'Climate Change is a Libtard Hoax,' is going to be 'Libtards deliberately caused Climate Change to ram their socialist one world agenda down our throats,' accompanied by demands that liberals 'turn off' said climate change.  Schemes like the 'Green New Deal' are automatically off the table, of course.

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9 minutes ago, ThinkerX said:

That will be the next step: schemes to deliberately modify the climate on a large scale.  I seem to remember a 'B' movie or two where such schemes resulted in a global ice age.

Makes me think of the end to that old show Dinosaurs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9b9aoINXzk

Now that was a sad ending.

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