Craving Peaches Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Gentlemen Prefer Blondes said: You can hardly call it insubordination when Janos Slynt agreed to go. He refused Jon multiple times before that and insulted him in front of the other men. That is insubordination. Him trying to take back what he said and weasel out of his punishment afterwards doesn't change that he was insubordinate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maegor_the_Cool Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, Gentlemen Prefer Blondes said: You can hardly call it insubordination when Janos Slynt agreed to go. Jon still murdered him. After disobeying multiple times and insulting the Lord commander in front the rest of the Watch. He brought it on himself. Stupid disloyal, baby killer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Maegor Targaryen I said: After disobeying multiple times and insulting the Lord commander in front the rest of the Watch. He brought it on himself. Stupid disloyal, baby killer And incompetent, corrupt and cowardly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rondo Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 7 hours ago, Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 said: And incompetent, corrupt and cowardly. Incompetent and corrupt accurately describes Jon Snow. Cowardly, that is poor Samwell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, Rondo said: Incompetent and corrupt accurately describes Jon Snow. Cowardly, that is poor Samwell. Keep it coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 6 hours ago, Rondo said: Incompetent and corrupt accurately describes Jon Snow. Cowardly, that is poor Samwell. Lemurs sent a raven. They are asking Dany when she is joining. Dany is so cowardly she can’t even do her own killing but use slaves for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Corvo the Crow said: Dany is so cowardly she can’t even do her own killing but use slaves for it. She also literally flew away from all her problems rather than face them. But don't scare away poor Rondo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astarkchoice Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 21 hours ago, Gentlemen Prefer Blondes said: You can hardly call it insubordination when Janos Slynt agreed to go. Jon still murdered him. Agreed to go when his head was on the block..too late then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoth the raven, Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 On 1/19/2023 at 8:30 PM, James West said: 1. Ned Stark beheads a deserter from the Night's Watch who was suffering from PTSD. The man had an important message. Unfortunately, the Starks did not take the man seriously and promptly kills him. How different might the story be if the man's warning was taken seriously. Westeros would have been better prepared for what is coming. 2. Ned's bastard, the lord commander at the Night's Watch, Jon Snow, beheads Janos Slynt. Janos was a rude man who was initially resistant to go on a suicide mission given to him by Lord Commander Jon Snow. The execution was a set up. Jon Snow orchestrated the situation knowing that Janos would most likely resist and thus give him an opportunity to kill the man who was an enemy of his father, Ned Stark. Read the scene carefully and it is clear that Janos finally agreed to go. Jon had made his point and already gave a demonstration of breaking the man in public. Still, Jon convinced himself, made up excuses, to justify what he wanted to do: murder Janos Slynt. The killing divided the Night's Watch. Jon put the fear in those who could have given him constructive criticism. 3. Arya Stark murders Dareon. Without hearing Dareon's story, without giving the boy a chance to speak for himself, Arya murders him. Will knowing the boy's sad story change Arya's mind? Probably not. Arya Stark has no idea what true justice is. She is acting on emotion, hate and silent anger. It is no wonder that many here are saying the Starks deserved to fall. Some divine payback at work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maegor_the_Cool Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 51 minutes ago, Quoth the raven, said: Some divine payback at work. Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 10 hours ago, Quoth the raven, said: Some divine payback at work. Just like when Aerys got killed then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Craving Peaches said: Just like when Aerys got killed then? How can it be divine when he died by a sword? That sicko should've been lit as a human torch got extinguished before he could die, then be drawn and quartered while also getting strangled for it to be divine justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U. B. Cool Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 On 1/19/2023 at 8:30 PM, James West said: 1. Ned Stark beheads a deserter from the Night's Watch who was suffering from PTSD. The man had an important message. Unfortunately, the Starks did not take the man seriously and promptly kills him. How different might the story be if the man's warning was taken seriously. Westeros would have been better prepared for what is coming. 2. Ned's bastard, the lord commander at the Night's Watch, Jon Snow, beheads Janos Slynt. Janos was a rude man who was initially resistant to go on a suicide mission given to him by Lord Commander Jon Snow. The execution was a set up. Jon Snow orchestrated the situation knowing that Janos would most likely resist and thus give him an opportunity to kill the man who was an enemy of his father, Ned Stark. Read the scene carefully and it is clear that Janos finally agreed to go. Jon had made his point and already gave a demonstration of breaking the man in public. Still, Jon convinced himself, made up excuses, to justify what he wanted to do: murder Janos Slynt. The killing divided the Night's Watch. Jon put the fear in those who could have given him constructive criticism. 3. Arya Stark murders Dareon. Without hearing Dareon's story, without giving the boy a chance to speak for himself, Arya murders him. Will knowing the boy's sad story change Arya's mind? Probably not. Arya Stark has no idea what true justice is. She is acting on emotion, hate and silent anger. It is no wonder that many here are saying the Starks deserved to fall. The true character of the Starks are slowly revealed like the layers of a smelly onion. They are far from the honorable, moral family that the beginning of the story misled the readers into thinking. Their points of views are numerous and painted a false picture of them. They are a savage, petty, and vindictive clan. Bran's time trip through his family's history shows what the Starks are really like. Arya, Jon, and Bran have all reverted back to the ways of the primitive Starks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Stonehearts Simp Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 9 hours ago, U. B. Cool said: The true character of the Starks are slowly revealed like the layers of a smelly onion. They are far from the honorable, moral family that the beginning of the story misled the readers into thinking. Their points of views are numerous and painted a false picture of them. They are a savage, petty, and vindictive clan. Bran's time trip through his family's history shows what the Starks are really like. Arya, Jon, and Bran have all reverted back to the ways of the primitive Starks. Tell me you have read the books without telling me you haven’t read the books Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarkTullies Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 14 hours ago, U. B. Cool said: Their points of views are numerous and painted a false picture of them. A false picture would be seeing them through someone else's biased eyes. Their numerous points of views are the true picture of them. 5 hours ago, Prince Rhaegar Targareyen said: Bran's time trip through his family's history shows what the Starks are really like. In Bran's "time trip", he sees the following: Ned cleaning his sword. Children playing. A woman praying for a son who would avenge her. A boy and a girl kissing. A man making weirwood arrows. An old woman executing a man by slitting his throat. Other than the last one, which one of these time trips is so horrifying? Regarding the old woman (thousands of years earlier, when the tree was barely a sapling and possibly before Winterfell was even built) is this your ultimate proof that all Starks are evil? If you have to go back to a multi-thousand-year-old memory of an unidentified woman to prove that the family you hate is horrible, then you have nothing. 15 hours ago, U. B. Cool said: Arya, Jon, and Bran have all reverted back to the ways of the primitive Starks. We don't know that the old woman was a Stark, or if House Stark even existed yet, but let's say she was a Stark. Bran's reaction to seeing her about to execute the man was crying "No, don't!" Bran did not approve; clearly he did not "revert" to their primitive ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Many-Faced Votary Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, StarkTullies said: Other than the last one, which one of these time trips is so horrifying? The children kissing. Cooties are terrifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 It might be GRRM’s greatest literary achievement…alongside Tyrion’s boiled frog…to get a ton of modern readers to sympathize with/rationalize/excuse a child straight up murdering a stranger on the grounds that he might be not adhering to the code of conduct the penal colony he was probably unjustly…and from a modern perspective certainly questionably sentenced…while engaged in a weird off script role in a land where his sentence wouldn’t even be lawful anyways. I wonder on a meta level it he is not demonstrating her tragedy writ large in the readers’ consciousness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, James Arryn said: It might be GRRM’s greatest literary achievement…alongside Tyrion’s boiled frog…to get a ton of modern readers to sympathize with/rationalize/excuse a child straight up murdering a stranger on the grounds that he might be not adhering to the code of conduct the penal colony he was probably unjustly…and from a modern perspective certainly questionably sentenced…while engaged in a weird off script role in a land where his sentence wouldn’t even be lawful anyways. I wonder on a meta level it he is not demonstrating her tragedy writ large in the readers’ consciousness. Little did the stranger know there were only 2 degrees of separation between the child and his commander of the penal colony. Sucked to be him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Just now, LongRider said: Little did the stranger know there were only 2 degrees of separation between the child and his commander of the penal colony. Sucked to be him. Oddly, it’s not Daeron who concerns me here, really. But yes, I guess if you overlook literally everything else, there is the heart warming story of good old familial feudal power to brighten the otherwise bleak prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rondo Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 The insurance man in Braavos is also a victim. Arya wanted to prove herself to the faceless men and killing the old man was the test. The faceless men is Arya's path to revenge or what she sees in her head as justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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