butterweedstrover Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ThinkerX said: 'Liberal Puppet State' and 'Russia' do not belong in the same sentence. There is no reason to believe Prigozhin's would be any less corrupt than Putin's. More brutal, definitely, but the only effect that will have will be to destroy the country as the outlying provinces rise in rebellion - and the troops needed to suppress that are all dead in Ukraine. Wagner has been much more true to their soldiers than the MOD and Prigozhin has openly criticized corruption within the Kremlin. 5 minutes ago, ThinkerX said: You also ignored my other point: end of the day, the Ukrainian military is mostly a volunteer force whose members are motivated to repel what they see as an invading force - contrasted with Russian mobilizations that resulted in hundreds of thousands fleeing the country or going into hiding - which means those people do not see 'Greater Russia' as a cause worth dying for. You ignore the mobilization order of males in Ukraine. If they had so many volunteers, they wouldn’t need to kidnap people off the street. Oh yeah, and all the male refugees I’m hanging out with in Brighton Beach fled from the draft. Edited July 10, 2023 by butterweedstrover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted July 10, 2023 Author Share Posted July 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, butterweedstrover said: Wagner has been much more true to their soldiers than the MOD and Prigozhin has openly criticized corruption within the Kremlin. You ignore the mobilization order of males in Ukraine. If they had so many volunteers, they wouldn’t need to kidnap people off the street. So… does Putin want his steak knives or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: You're just saying that because you're only 50% bear. Please stop talking about my penis Mr. Chatywin et al. and hauberk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A wilding Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, butterweedstrover said: If they had so many volunteers, they wouldn’t need to kidnap people off the street. The projection is strong in that sentence. Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterweedstrover Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 1 minute ago, A wilding said: The projection is strong in that sentence. The economist sanitized the report to make Ukraine look good, but even your beloved western media is reporting on it: https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/02/26/ukraine-finds-stepping-up-mobilisation-is-not-so-easy Go on telegram or twitter to see footage of the real horrors the draft has brought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterweedstrover Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 52 minutes ago, Kalnak the Magnificent said: So you're not in favor of war then? Or are you in favor of war? In this instance I’m I favor of a ceasefire and you’re not. So as of today, I am anti-war and you are pro-war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterweedstrover Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: It wasn’t previously… Russia. Therefore the people there weren’t “Russian”. It wasn’t Ukrainian either. Hence Russia never ‘conquered’ Ukraine. One cannot conquer themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted July 10, 2023 Author Share Posted July 10, 2023 Just now, butterweedstrover said: In this instance I’m I favor of a ceasefire and you’re not. So as of today, I am anti-war and you are pro-war. Did you support the Russian invasion of Ukraine? Or did you call the warnings about the invasion “Alarmist talk from the West” or “Lies to make Russia look like an aggressor”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted July 10, 2023 Author Share Posted July 10, 2023 Just now, butterweedstrover said: It wasn’t Ukrainian either. Hence Russia never ‘conquered’ Ukraine. One cannot conquer themselves. But they were fucking Russians as you claim Ukrainians are. And as Kal pointed out… fuck your rationale. The Russians invaded and the Russians were wrong to do so. Did you, in the lead up to the invasion claim things like “Russia will never invade”… or… “this is propaganda to make Russia look like an aggressor nation”? Lord of Oop North 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterweedstrover Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: Did you support the Russian invasion of Ukraine? Or did you call the warnings about the invasion “Alarmist talk from the West” or “Lies to make Russia look like an aggressor”? I disagreed only in that I didn’t think it would work. If Putin would really be able to remove the regime in Kiev with tanks, then absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted July 10, 2023 Author Share Posted July 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, butterweedstrover said: I disagreed only in that I didn’t think it would work. If Putin would really be able to remove the regime in Kiev with tanks, then absolutely. Kyiv. Did you claim it would never happen like so many other Putin apologists did in the lead up to 2/23/2022 Jackson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, butterweedstrover said: I disagreed only in that I didn’t think it would work. If Putin would really be able to remove the regime in Kiev with tanks, then absolutely. It’s not Russia’s place to decide who governs Ukraine. Which Tyler and Ser Scot A Ellison 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A wilding Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, butterweedstrover said: The economist sanitized the report to make Ukraine look good, but even your beloved western media is reporting on it: https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/02/26/ukraine-finds-stepping-up-mobilisation-is-not-so-easy Go on telegram or twitter to see footage of the real horrors the draft has brought. Just in case you really don't understand the meaning of the word "projection", it means that you are accusing Ukraine of something that Russia has been doing vastly more of. And while your "kidnap off the streets" is massively inflated hyperbole in the case of Ukraine, it is hardly any exaggeration at all of what Russia has been doing. Edited July 10, 2023 by A wilding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A wilding Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) Double post. Edited July 10, 2023 by A wilding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 18 minutes ago, Kalnak the Magnificent said: Please stop talking about my penis More a comment on the patchy back hair. 17 minutes ago, butterweedstrover said: In this instance I’m I favor of a ceasefire and you’re not. So as of today, I am anti-war and you are pro-war. It's easy to call for a ceasefire after you start a fight and then are getting your ass kicked. Everything about this has been a complete failure for Putin. Everything. Ukraine frankly has every right in the world to retake their territory. It does not belong to Russia nor are the people of Ukraine suppose to just accept they're Russian because Russians say they are. Just go away so this thread can actually be used for updates instead of the nonsense you're spewing. Arakasi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterweedstrover Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, A wilding said: Just in case you really don't understand the meaning of the word "projection", it means that you are accusing Ukraine of something that Russia has been doing vastly more of. And while your "kidnap off the streets" and massively inflated hyperbole in the case of Ukraine, it is hardly any exaggeration at all of what Russia has been doing. Oh boy, wait till you hear some of the stories I’ve been told: https://twitter.com/ThePollLady/status/1618528798420635649 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterweedstrover Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: More a comment on the patchy back hair. It's easy to call for a ceasefire after you start a fight and then are getting your ass kicked. Everything about this has been a complete failure for Putin. Everything. Ukraine frankly has every right in the world to retake their territory. It does not belong to Russia nor are the people of Ukraine suppose to just accept they're Russian because Russians say they are. Just go away so this thread can actually be used for updates instead of the nonsense you're spewing. Ukrainians are dying in mass according to these updates. Not that you care, as long as it helps the west geopolitically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted July 10, 2023 Author Share Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, butterweedstrover said: Oh boy, wait till you hear some of the stories I’ve been told: https://twitter.com/ThePollLady/status/1618528798420635649 Jackson, you’re really cluttering up the thread. But it is telling how she’s closed off comments from anyone she doesn’t agree with. Edited July 10, 2023 by Ser Scot A Ellison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A wilding Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Someone said something on Elon Musk's glorious new Twitter? It must be true then! Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterweedstrover Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Just now, A wilding said: Someone said something on Elon Musk's glorious new Twitter? It must be true then! So you think this is not happening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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