Maegor_the_Cool Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Do you think he could’ve beaten Robert on the Trident? Robert was hella injured from their fight already. I imagine with VS being able to cut through his armor, Rhaegar would’ve won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astarkchoice Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Yes it was an even fight and v.steel seems to give lot of advantages (lighter stronger, harder, stronger) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aejohn the Conqueroo Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 I believe that he could have had one if Bloodraven had wanted him to, so either Bloodraven felt it wouldn't have made a difference and didn't send it down to protect it from falling into Robert's hands, or he knew it would make a difference and didn't send it down because Robert's Rebellion was something that he didn't want to prevent (and perhaps he had already decided that Blackfyre would go to Rhaegar's son). I kind of think it would have made a difference, especially in his showdown with Robert, but I wonder if we won't hear from BR himself about that one at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maegor_the_Cool Posted July 24, 2023 Author Share Posted July 24, 2023 40 minutes ago, Aejohn the Conqueroo said: I believe that he could have had one if Bloodraven had wanted him to, so either Bloodraven felt it wouldn't have made a difference and didn't send it down to protect it from falling into Robert's hands, or he knew it would make a difference and didn't send it down because Robert's Rebellion was something that he didn't want to prevent (and perhaps he had already decided that Blackfyre would go to Rhaegar's son). I kind of think it would have made a difference, especially in his showdown with Robert, but I wonder if we won't hear from BR himself about that one at some point. So you believe Bloodraven Orchestrated everything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aejohn the Conqueroo Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Jon Snowfyre said: So you believe Bloodraven Orchestrated everything? Essentially, yes. Even if he didn't though, we know he has at least Dark Sister if not both swords and we know he has the means to have seen what was going on and even if the extent of his powers is what we've seen from him so far, he could have managed to have an agent or two courier them down to Rhaegar if he felt that was what he wanted to do. Edited July 24, 2023 by Aejohn the Conqueroo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 3 hours ago, Jon Snowfyre said: I imagine with VS being able to cut through his armor If Valyrian steel was that strong then wouldn't people just refuse to fight those with Valyrian steel swords? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canon Claude Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Just now, Craving Peaches said: If Valyrian steel was that strong then wouldn't people just refuse to fight those with Valyrian steel swords? Hard to refuse to fight a man when it's in the middle of battle and the guy with the Valyrian steel is barreling down on you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Just now, Canon Claude said: Hard to refuse to fight a man when it's in the middle of battle and the guy with the Valyrian steel is barreling down on you. I mean in tourneys we see people with normal swords fight those with Valyrian steel swords, if one sword is capable of cutting through armour, it would just be an overwhelming advantage as well as probably making it able to cut through the other's weapon. So if VS swords were that powerful people wouldn't fight those that had them in tourneys...? astarkchoice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-L Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 Apparently, King Jaehaerys who was never noted to be particularly great warrior could slay whoever he wanted with Blackfyre, even as an old man (FaB writing...). With that etablished we can supposed that Rhaegar could have easily "one shot" Robert and put an end to the rebellion. Another scenario would be that while a Valyrian sword provide a great improvement to whoever wield it, it doesn't turn one into The Sword of Morning. So in spite it all, Robert might still have slain Rhaegar, the same way Criston Cole was able to defeat a Dark Sister armed Aemon Targaryen at the melee of King Viserys's tourney. astarkchoice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astarkchoice Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 14 hours ago, Craving Peaches said: I mean in tourneys we see people with normal swords fight those with Valyrian steel swords, if one sword is capable of cutting through armour, it would just be an overwhelming advantage as well as probably making it able to cut through the other's weapon. So if VS swords were that powerful people wouldn't fight those that had them in tourneys...? This It was already an even fight and this just adds an advantage. The sword is lighter, harder,stronger and retains a razor edge easier vs regular steel. Rhaegar is the faster man and this just means hel strike/parry even faster and hit harder and the steel bite deeper into any openings (robert was wounded) .He wont tire as easily either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fossoway Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 16 hours ago, Aejohn the Conqueroo said: I believe that he could have had one if Bloodraven had wanted him to, so either Bloodraven felt it wouldn't have made a difference and didn't send it down to protect it from falling into Robert's hands, or he knew it would make a difference and didn't send it down because Robert's Rebellion was something that he didn't want to prevent (and perhaps he had already decided that Blackfyre would go to Rhaegar's son). I kind of think it would have made a difference, especially in his showdown with Robert, but I wonder if we won't hear from BR himself about that one at some point." "Wanted him to?". C'mon, Bloodrave was gone like 20 years before the Bobellion even started. Lady Isis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 1 hour ago, astarkchoice said: This It was already an even fight and this just adds an advantage. The sword is lighter, harder,stronger and retains a razor edge easier vs regular steel. Rhaegar is the faster man and this just means hel strike/parry even faster and hit harder and the steel bite deeper into any openings (robert was wounded) .He wont tire as easily either. Yeah, I agree. It would give Rhaegar an advantage but I don't think it is an instant-win button... astarkchoice and CassDarry 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astarkchoice Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 15 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said: Yeah, I agree. It would give Rhaegar an advantage but I don't think it is an instant-win button... Agreed They were evenly matched fighters so any advantage will probably tip the balance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, astarkchoice said: Agreed They were evenly matched fighters so any advantage will probably tip the balance On the other hand if Rhaegar has Blackfyre, unless it magically teleported into his hand right before the battle, Robert probably knows that Rhaegar will be wielding Blackfyre so Robert might change his strategy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astarkchoice Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 8 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said: On the other hand if Rhaegar has Blackfyre, unless it magically teleported into his hand right before the battle, Robert probably knows that Rhaegar will be wielding Blackfyre so Robert might change his strategy... Theree not too much he can change ..its still a sword. I think he was always planning to avoid it as best he could Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 (edited) It would put the odds in Rhaegar's favor. Both were evenly matched, but from what we've seen, Valyrian Steel cuts through armor like butter. Edited July 25, 2023 by sifth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Steller Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 1 hour ago, sifth said: It would put the odds in Rhaegar's favor. Both were evenly matched, but from what we've seen, Valyrian Steel cuts through armor like butter. Putting aside what we’ve seen, how strong is Valyrian steel supposed to be in the books? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aejohn the Conqueroo Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 4 hours ago, Jon Fossoway said: "Wanted him to?". C'mon, Bloodrave was gone like 20 years before the Bobellion even started. Not really 'gone' though, is he? Maybe a little sidelined, but he has his vision and he has agents. I don't see why he couldn't have had Darksister sent down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenin Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 On 7/24/2023 at 4:32 PM, Jon Snowfyre said: hella injured No, he was not. To your question, who knows? This is fantasy. 13 hours ago, Kal-L said: King Jaehaerys who was never noted to be particularly great warrior Jaeharys was actually a pretty good warrior. Also those he fought weren't Kingsguards either so... 4 hours ago, sifth said: Valyrian Steel cuts through armor like butter. Funnily enough, we've not seen that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-L Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 16 minutes ago, frenin said: Jaeharys was actually a pretty good warrior. Where was it said ? I never read about it. Quote Also those he fought weren't Kingsguards either so... And ? You don't need to be part of the Kingsguard to be a great warrior, in fact some of them can be lame compared to others knights. Barristan Selmy is an exception, not the norm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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