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I had an opinion on this episode. Then I saw Oona Chaplin naked. Can't seem to remember anything else. I'll try. The last few weeks, I've been pretty adament about who I believed she was. Apparently, they went to the Crag without incident. And, then she had that story about Volantis. Either I was right and D&D are trying to throw everyone off her scent some more or...not. No idea where this is going. But, I enjoyed Oona's performance in this episode. Her acting, too.

First time I remember seeing Yara do anything of note for awhile. I'm trying to decide if she was too sentimental with Theon. I always got the impression that she really did care for Theon on some level. However, I'm not so sure if I like how overt she was here. I think the warning in itself was enough to show that she didn't want him to die. I probably could've done without the anecdote.

Sad to see the Arya/Tywin love affair come to an end, but, the scene where Arya names Jaqen was played great. Not sure if I fully buy his rationale for vetoing the Tywin choice...because she named him only to save Robb's life, not just because she wanted Tywin dead? Not sure if there's book precedent. Someone help me. I suppose you could twist it to fit FM ideology. The show needs more Hot Pie. Good to see him again, finally. And, Pod. Hope they let him speak soon. The chuckle was a start. It'll happen for you, Pod. Look how long Rickon had to wait.

Scenes at King's Landing was great, between Varys/Tyrion/Bronn, Varys/Tyrion, and Cersei/Tyrion. I got off just as much watching the verbal sparring as I did watching Oona and Robb do the other kind of sparring. Finally, Ros serves a purpose. It only took a season and a half.

Forget Dragonglass, I was really hoping the First Men left toothpaste under that rock. Dragonglass will do, though.

The episode cemented for me how happy I am with Stephen Dillane as Stannis. Still waiting for it to click with Davos, though. Hopefully next week...it should be his shining moment.

I didn't buy it when others sold it. But, I'm beginning to think Dagmer is indeed...the Bastard.

Next week, man. Death. Destruction. Turmoil. It's going to be awesome.

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This episode was just ok for me. I enjoyed the Theon/Asha/Yara scene the most. I am glad that Jon has been reunited with the Halfhand so that story will continue as I had hoped. Brienne and Jamie are a match made in Westeros heaven and I can not wait to see more of them together! I DO NOT like anything about the Robb/Talisa nonsense. It is terrible. As for the Weasel Soup, I did not think it would be shown. Arya was not known as Weasel on the show so leaving it out was no big deal.

Next week is going to be awesomeeeee!!!!!!

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Weasel soup was the third death Arya asked for. Unlike the HBO episode, Arya gets Northern prisoners freed, who in turn take over Harrenhall. Soup is cooked for the guards, and the boiling soup is used as a weapon. She then gets chosen as Roose Bolton's cup-bearer, as opposed to the strange plot device of her being Tywin Lannister's cupbearer.

Thanks, how were people expecting them to set this up with what we had seen to date. I guess did people expect for Northereners to get captured?

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Pretty sure you nailed it there: WHO supports her. That is, his nurse is clearly supported by the WHO — the World Health Organization.

Absolutely wrong. Have you even read the books? She is with Medicines Sans Frontieres.

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It's worth notice the relation between the First Men and the Obsidian daggers and arrow tips. It was not Benjen, neither the COTF. Just a treasure.

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Yeah i'm starting to think she is either: a) From Volantis, or B) Jeyne Westernling sending letters to Tywin lannister. Either one would be a huge change from the book, and one of the few changes I will not be happy with.

See, I thought the real shocker would be if the letters were coming from Roose Bolton. I bet they want you to think its coming from the foreign whooooore (say it like on the Sopranos!), but its really coming from one of his commanders. It'll make sense when Roose changes sides at the end of next season.

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I had felt the series was going to alter some main events, but this episode addressed them and tied them back into the narrative....

Definitely. :)

I thought they were good. I mean if Rob is going to do something as brash as blow off his pact with the Frey's they HAVE to show them falling in love. Having him show up at Riverrun and be married worked in the book because he didn't have a perspective, but in the show it's something that has to be seen.

My thought as well.

Jeyne is really hot, Jaime was wrong.

Oona Chaplin might just be worth a kingdom... ;)

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i honestly hate all the Jon Snow/Qhorin/Ygritte changes, they weren't necessary at all imo

I think they just wanted to get Ygritte more screen time which is fine by me. Makes sense to develop their relationship on screen.

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No I think he was talking about the Mountain. He left Gregor in charge and he told Arya to try to keep him sober. Basically Tywin a death sentence! :P Speaking of the Mountain....let's talk about the MOST IMPORTANT question of the show! Who are the three men that Jaime think might be able to best him!?!?! I'd say the Mountain and the Hound for sure. Who is the third? In the books he does think about the men who are stronger than him: The Cleganes, Robert, the Greatjon, and Strongboar. I hope Jaime brings back this topic again so he can give the audience a mention to who I think the third is: The Red Viper. Would be a good setup to next season. ;)

Ah yes!

And dammit! I forget which chapter in which book he talks about this! Didn't he mention Robert Baratheon in his prime as a worthy foe? Possibly Barristan the Bold? I don't remember. But in tonight's episode in typical Jaime fashion, he never said anyone could beat him. He said there are only a few who might be able to best him.

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No I think he was talking about the Mountain. He left Gregor in charge and he told Arya to try to keep him sober. Basically Tywin a death sentence! :P

Speaking of the Mountain....let's talk about the MOST IMPORTANT question of the show! Who are the three men that Jaime think might be able to best him!?!?! I'd say the Mountain and the Hound for sure. Who is the third? In the books he does think about the men who are stronger than him: The Cleganes, Robert, the Greatjon, and Strongboar. I hope Jaime brings back this topic again so he can give the audience a mention to who I think the third is: The Red Viper. Would be a good setup to next season. ;)

Someone asked me this same question during the show and I quickly came up with The Hound and The Mountain, but I couldn't think of the third. Selmy? Jaime would think he is too old to beat him. Loras? Jaime would think he is young. I doubt he'd consider anyone from the North since they're not real knights. The Red Viper certainly would set things up nicely for next season. However, I think it was purposely left to be without an answer for this very reason: so that it'll start a discussion.

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I totally agree that it makes sense to show and not tell the part about Robb falling in love. It's going to be especially necessary for non-book audience.

Although y'all best back up off my joke about being worth a kingdom and all. I trademarked that on the first page of last week's thread.

I know like five lawyers from the GenChat forum.

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Speaking of the Mountain....let's talk about the MOST IMPORTANT question of the show! Who are the three men that Jaime think might be able to best him!?!?! I'd say the Mountain and the Hound for sure. Who is the third? In the books he does think about the men who are stronger than him: The Cleganes, Robert, the Greatjon, and Strongboar. I hope Jaime brings back this topic again so he can give the audience a mention to who I think the third is: The Red Viper. Would be a good setup to next season. ;)

I'm thinking Barristan Selmy or is he a little too old? I'd also say the Hound over the Mountain. Loras Tyrell maybe?

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Arya didn't have to kill anyone to escape Harrenhal?!! That's bs. So disappointed.

Seems Jaqen killed a dozen guards single handed, trivia for a FM.

Alas we did not get to see him do it.

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Apparently, they went to the Crag without incident.
When they returned from the Crag without her being recognized that pretty much killed any "She is Jeyne" feelings I had. Ah well. I just hope they did this for a reason but I'm honestly not seeing one.

Forget Dragonglass, I was really hoping the First Men left toothpaste under that rock.

For real. What happened to Sam's teeth? Is the snow made of sugar or something?

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Interesting. How so?

He essentially quoted Maggy the Frog's prophecy word for word. GRRM has said multiple times in interviews that D&D have insight into how the series will end. I think that scene was a tip of the cap to all those who assumed it be him over Jaime. We'll see if lefty ends up killing her, but that scene confirms Tyrion for me.

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Damn you HBO. The guys get a feast of naked women and when us girls finally get a sniff of something you let the damn chick fall on him. Here are my demands, get those edited out scenes of Robb on the net or give me Jaime naked. I dont care if you cut from the battle of Blackwater or the HoU. I want me some man skin.

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