#Fire and Blood Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 I am referring to when the NW gets to his place again. He refers to not being afraid of what is out there. Obviously he is referring to giving his sons to the Old Gods. I know this has been discussed many times before, but did anybody get any new insight on what exactly he is doing and what he means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercyTheBlindUglyLittleCat Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 In the show Jon sees that he sacrifices them to the White Walkers (The Others). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostinwesteros Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 I believe there's evidence, 'way back in the history of Westeros, that the White Walkers were once Children of the Forest, too, and that there was some sort of split off for some sort of reason. Also lots of thinking/posting on these threads that the White Walkers are not necessarily all 'bad' and that we don't have all the pertinent information on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kienn Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 I thought he said "real gods"... not old gods.I figure he does mean the White Walkers, but I don't think they are the "Old Gods" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarkDragon Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 I thought he said "real gods"... not old gods.I figure he does mean the White Walkers, but I don't think they are the "Old Gods"This is what I assumed as well, seeing as he dumps his boys in the cold for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valonqar_ Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I thought he said the Cold Gods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reposado Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I believe there's evidence, 'way back in the history of Westeros, that the White Walkers were once Children of the Forest, too, and that there was some sort of split off for some sort of reason. Also lots of thinking/posting on these threads that the White Walkers are not necessarily all 'bad' and that we don't have all the pertinent information on them.well there's not really evidence of that. just a theory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iheartseverus Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I thought he said "real gods"... not old gods.I figure he does mean the White Walkers, but I don't think they are the "Old Gods"You're correct. I just re-watched, and he said 'the REAL gods' not the Old Gods. the Old Gods are those associated with the weirwood trees, whereas Craster seems to be implying that the White Walkers are the REAL gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiola Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Did he say "old gods"? I missed that, if so. I don't think the writers would put that in though. The Old Gods are cool. They wouldn't kill baby boys.But what Craster meant was since he sacrifices to the Others/White Walkers, he has nothing to fear from them. That's why he never joined up with Mance in Season 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDMNDBAMMD Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I am referring to when the NW gets to his place again. He refers to not being afraid of what is out there. Obviously he is referring to giving his sons to the Old Gods. I know this has been discussed many times before, but did anybody get any new insight on what exactly he is doing and what he means?Craster is serving his sons up to the White Walkers, at least that is what looks like takes the baby. Those are his gods. Thus, he has no need to fear "what is out there" as long as he keeps giving them sacrifices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 He said "Real Gods". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Banjo Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Interesting...is Craster actually a genius by trading his sons' lives for his/daughters lives with the WW? If the NW never show up to his place, do the WW go on to destroy Westeros and leave Craster to his daughter-wives in total peace? He has a great plan, too bad he let the crows back in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amoracchius Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I believe there's evidence, 'way back in the history of Westeros, that the White Walkers were once Children of the Forest, too, and that there was some sort of split off for some sort of reason. Also lots of thinking/posting on these threads that the White Walkers are not necessarily all 'bad' and that we don't have all the pertinent information on them.That's really interesting. I've read a lot of the Heresy threads, so I know a bunch about the "White Walkers aren't all bad" theories, but I don't remember evidence of the CotF and the WW splitting off from one another. Do you have a link to somewhere I can read more about this? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Conch Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I love how he has gone through all this trouble and sacrifice and it will be ruined at the end. Poetic Justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywolf2375 Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Interesting...is Craster actually a genius by trading his sons' lives for his/daughters lives with the WW? If the NW never show up to his place, do the WW go on to destroy Westeros and leave Craster to his daughter-wives in total peace? He has a great plan, too bad he let the crows back in.Episode 1 shows that the WW are on the move without the Nights Watch going over the Wall any more than they do normally so it would appear that whatever instigated them happened outside of what went on at Crasters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theda Baratheon Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Yeh, I was going to comment saying ''he said the real gods'' but many already have. What does this mean? Hmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterisAlwaysComing Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 Didn't Gilly also call them "The Gods of the Forest" when they were first at Craster's Keep? As in..."He gives his sons to the gods of the forest." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarah.jenice Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Great catch on him saying "real gods." When I watched the episode, I was thinking that Craster was wrong because Mormont is of the North and follows the Old Gods (I think). If he said "real gods" and meant the White Walkers that is probably the closest admission Craster gives to what he is doing. The wives are the ones that confirm it in the book when they tell Sam that the sons are coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDMNDBAMMD Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Yeh, I was going to comment saying ''he said the real gods'' but many already have. What does this mean? Hmm.In this episode he is talking about the cold winds and how he has nothing to fear, he's made a deal with the White Walkers to offer up his sons to them. The White Walkers are the "gods" that he serves.Last season Craster lives his baby in the woods, a figure with blue eyes takes it, Jon tells Mormont about it, he tells Jon "Craster serves crueler gods than us" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joyful Union Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I think its obvious that he is worshipping the White Walkers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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