Jaxom 1974 Posted November 21, 2013 Author Share Posted November 21, 2013 I'm still waiting to see if Summer Glau turns out to be Talia though :) That's two ex Spartacus actors (unless I'm missing some?). It would be good to see some of the others pop up as guest stars as well.Three actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexal Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 I'm so happy right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sci-2 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 I really hope there's such a thing as a Lazarus pit in the Arrow universe. Otherwise this is the worst reveal ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrim Fox Cauthon Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 I really hope there's such a thing as a Lazarus pit in the Arrow universe. Otherwise this is the worst reveal ever. That would even allow Merlyn to be brought back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Three actually. Who else besides Manu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted November 21, 2013 Author Share Posted November 21, 2013 Who else besides Manu?Cynthia Addai-Robinson plays Waller and now Katrina Law as the other daughter of Ra's al Ghul... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Cynthia Addai-Robinson plays Waller and now Katrina Law as the other daughter of Ra's al Ghul... Oh I knew the agent chick looked familiar. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of Boston Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 The oneish day trial was...interesting. And, the big bang at the end of this episode was a little dundundunnn soap opery in delivery. As much as I love this show, the previous two episodes have fallen short for me. The beginning of the season set the bar higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of Ashes Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Tonight's ep was only the second one I've seen but I think it could've been better if it had focused solely on the trial rather than having Vertigo and his God-awful accent and his cliched, villain scheme taking up space. Maybe the island flashbacks would've satisfied the action quota.Seen some pics of Barry Allen in Arrow and he looks like a fetus with a badge standing next to Oliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon AS Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 I always thought Merlyn being killed off at the end of the first season was the right way to handle him (and even slightly courageous on the writers' part), now they've gone and blown that. All for the dramatic reveal that the main leverage Moira had over Merlyn was that she had pretended Thea was his daughter? I guess his involvement with the League will help tie him into more interesting plots, but I do hope that this is a brief, temporary return at the end of which he gets killed off for real. Laurel's importance is minimised even in an episode with a strong emphasis on the trial, and there wasn't even a hint about her pills and booze problem despite a drug plot taking up a large part of the episode. They're really writing her out, aren't they? ETA: Seen some pics of Barry Allen in Arrow and he looks like a fetus with a badge standing next to Oliver. I just watched the promo for the next episode, even standing by himself he looks like he just graduated highschool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faraday Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Hm. That felt a little disjointed? I don't think they needed the count - more "trial" + a little more action on island would have sufficed. It felt like they could have had Oliver revert back to killing in another episode -- because while I think it's important it loses a little bit of impact with the Merlyn reveal. (Who I'm pretty "eh" on being brought back, to be honest. I was not surprised he came back, although surprised I'd not heard about it) But yeah, there was still some cool stuff it just felt disjointed with the island stuff, the count stuff and the trial stuff all in and neither really getting enough focus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrim Fox Cauthon Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 I always thought Merlyn being killed off at the end of the first season was the right way to handle him (and even slightly courageous on the writers' part), now they've gone and blown that. All for the dramatic reveal that the main leverage Moira had over Merlyn was that she had pretended Thea was his daughter? I guess his involvement with the League will help tie him into more interesting plots, but I do hope that this is a brief, temporary return at the end of which he gets killed off for real. Laurel's importance is minimised even in an episode with a strong emphasis on the trial, and there wasn't even a hint about her pills and booze problem despite a drug plot taking up a large part of the episode. They're really writing her out, aren't they? Merlyn is the Green Arrow's archnemesis. If Malcolm does get killed again, then there should be a new Merlyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon AS Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Merlyn is the Green Arrow's archnemesis. If Malcolm does get killed again, then there should be a new Merlyn. I'm not much for the idea of the hero having an archnemesis. With super iconic ones like Batman and the Joker you might be able to justify it, but for the most part it very quickly feels like the writers have run out of ideas if they keep bringing back the same bad guy again and again. And it's actually not even just the villains, when's the last time anybody took a superhero's death seriously instead of wondering how they'd be brought back to life this time? This may be partly caused by the neverending soap opera nature of the biggest selling superhero comics (combined with changing writers), but on a TV show with a limited lifespan there's no excuse for this. Merlyn is important to the Green Arrow character in the comics? So he was on this show: his actions not only turned Oliver into a vigilante, ultimately they set him on the path of trying to become a true hero. He helped define what Oliver is about, he doesn't have to be alive for his influence to be felt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexal Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Man, people are missing the point. We get more Barrowman! I don't care how he lived. I'm just happy to see him chew up some more scenery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon AS Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Just to be sure I'm not crazy: Merlyn said that he was glad to learn that he isn't Thea's father, right? Not the (way more cliched) other way around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexal Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Just to be sure I'm not crazy: Merlyn said that he was glad to learn that he isn't Thea's father, right? Not the (way more cliched) other way around? Fairly sure Thea is Barrowman's daughter. That's what I thought he said anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon AS Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 I guess there's something wrong with my ears, I appear to be the only one who heard it as "isn't". How disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexal Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 I guess there's something wrong with my ears, I appear to be the only one who heard it as "isn't". How disappointing. He wouldn't have come back if it wasn't true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon AS Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 He wouldn't have come back if it wasn't true. Sure he would, if he wants revenge and possibly still enact a new plan to "save" the city. If, contrary to what Moira told him before, he doesn't have any blood ties to the Queen family, he can go all out. If, on the other hand, it's the other way around, we get the kind of stupid soap opera drama that was the show's weakness in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted November 21, 2013 Author Share Posted November 21, 2013 Didn't someone predict that we hadn't seen the last of Malcolm...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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