Fragile Bird Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 He doesn't have any magic powers. He's not an alien. He doesn't have to use a magic spell, yelling shazam to be a hero. He has no special powers. When they started the character off, he used a gun, but after a few issues they wrote it out. It's just an ordinary man dressed in a costume meant to strike fear in the hearts of criminals. Is Batman the greatest super hero there is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Batman's probably my favourite superhero, but I always found the 'he's got no superpowers, he's just an ordinary guy' claim a tad... well, wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Batman's probably my favourite superhero, but I always found the 'he's got no superpowers, he's just an ordinary guy' claim a tad... well, wrong. I have to agree. Ordinary men are not billionaires, with the means to do everything Batman does.As to whether he's the best hero ever, that's pretty subjective. He's not my all-time favorite, but he's definitely up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red snow Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Depends on how you define a hero. If it's a shining beacon of morality then he falls pretty short. His treatment of those close to him is pretty poor and the fact he never actually saves his city but instead keeps it in a chaotic equilibrium is worrying too. He is pretty cool though and seems to be stand the test of time (with interesting adaptations to certain eras). He's going to be legendary with the likes of Robin Hood and other characters from myth and folklore, that's for sure. One of my favourite lines was in the animated show where he was teamed with Superman and he could hear what the gangsters a block away were saying. Superman asked if he had super hearing and Batman says "lip reading". That's what makes him great in that he earns his "powers" in a lot of cases. The limitless money does help a lot with the extras though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
( Bloodraven ) Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Batman's probably my favourite superhero, but I always found the 'he's got no superpowers, he's just an ordinary guy' claim a tad... well, wrong. Maybe, but compared to the other members of the Justice League, he's the Badass Normal.And to answer the op's question: YES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Maybe, but compared to the other members of the Justice League, he's the Badass Normal. Well yeah, technically.But in actuality, the way he's often written (and this particularly applies in the team-up stories, his human-ness is more on show when he's at street level in Gotham) he's the most powerful of the lot. His superpower is knowing exactly what to do in a given situation. When it's written well then yes, it feels earned, but often it's just 'Batman knows everything, he'll fix it'.This reached its apex during the Grant Morrison JLA run. I'm not complaining, I like those stories, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sci-2 Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 I love the Morrison Uberbat of the old JLA. But I think the most recently concluded Morrison Batman run is my favorite, even when Batman's missing for a good chunk of the the second act. As for being the greatest...among superheros I think he generates the best stories. Some of the cape comic industry's best...and best known...names have written a Batman story. Fewer people can pull off good Superman stories, though again I recommend Grant Morrison's All Star Superman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthmail Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 He's always been the only super hero I gave a crap about. He is the worlds greatest detective. But on a lighter note, this is genius: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enOHraf3LEk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 No. No he most certainly is not the greatest hero. He isn't even the greatest DC hero. That would be John Constantine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLU-RAY Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Yeah, it very much depends what you mean by "greatest". IMO he's the most interesting, but what is "greatest"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 I love the Morrison Uberbat of the old JLA. But I think the most recently concluded Morrison Batman run is my favorite, even when Batman's missing for a good chunk of the the second act. As for being the greatest...among superheros I think he generates the best stories. Some of the cape comic industry's best...and best known...names have written a Batman story. Fewer people can pull off good Superman stories, though again I recommend Grant Morrison's All Star Superman. He does generate the best stories, but that's enormously helped by the rogue's gallery. This is why Spider-Man is also such a classic.Superman, on the other hand, has a comparatively poor one - Luthor is an iconic villain but (although I'm probably alone in this thinking) doesn't work so well against Supes - he's much better as a general worldwide foe, and Braniac is great, but beyond that there's very little. Darkseid is one of his best opponents (not just because he can match him for power, but because he's the archetypal opposite) but he's not a pure-Supes foe, obviously. And Wonder-Woman's villains are generally atrocious, which is why she's always struggled so to uphold her own series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicked Woodpecker of West Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Rorschach is like Batman only without money and with much cooler mask ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Rorschach is like Batman only without money and with much cooler mask ;) Yeah, but he's a tea-partier. And not the old-school British-fighting version. Then again, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicked Woodpecker of West Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Yeah, but he's a tea-partier. And not the old-school British-fighting version. I'm not sure if he's Tea-Partier. Right-wing (well, American-right wing) yeah, and he even have on of those hats.But:- he use cleaver rather than good ol' double shotgun.- he's redhead not redneck- he's real name is Kovacs with sounds just like illegal immigrant- he believes that President Truman was an honest man (which is impossible because P. Truman was Democratic Party)- rather than eating steak with BBQ sauce he prefers to eat cold bean (another illegal immigrant symbol). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sologdin Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 real name is Kovacs with sounds just like illegal immigrant hungarian ex-pat, likely horthyite or arrow crosser, imported into the US by CIA as part of paperclip or bloodstone or whatever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman and Chair Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Objectively speaking, I'd say he is both the most well known superhero, and has the most well known rogues gallery. Personally, I think he is the best superhero, but I can see why others might argue against that. I will say that I think that the Joker, in his various incarnations, is the greatest supervillain of all time, and won't really accept any arguments to the contrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red snow Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Yeah, but he's a tea-partier. And not the old-school British-fighting version. Then again, Batman isn't exempt. It is true that he spends all his vast resources on beating people up. At least when Morrison was in charge he used Batman's money to have an army of people beating people up which is slightly more effective. Then again I'd much rather play a game where I get to beat all the villains up than play economically fair and relatively safe sim-city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BlackBear Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Cracked's take on Batman. They make some good points, especially the beating violent criminals and leaving them to go home to beat up their wives bit. Then there's this embarrasing article where Batman beats up the Hulk as you may guess from my Avatar I disagree with the outcome :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted October 20, 2013 Author Share Posted October 20, 2013 Well I ask then, if Batman is not the greatest hero, who is and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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