sologdin Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 shouldn't complain, kids. martin's five-year gap turned out to be self-referential, whereas the RSB's twenty-year gap applied only to the narrative's chronology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokisnow Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 At the very least, the Unholy Consult is finished and being split after being finished, despite the book being shorter than A Clash of Kings (so a split makes zero sense). For Martin, neither book was finished when he published AFFC. AFFC is sloppy and fat compared to ASOS or ADWD. In the writing, I mean, it's repetitive, overlapping, needlessly digressive and clearly wandering in search of plot outcomes. I'm currently listening to the audio book of each, switching between ADWD and AFFC roughly every other chapter, and the difference in writing between the two is stark, it's evident that almost all the AFFC chapters feel like drafts. Had the book not been split, there would have been a lot of compression and sweating the AFFC chapters down severely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 The 2nd book would be planned for the following year with a little note from the author in the back of the first one saying it's all good. :leaving: :tantrum: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unJon Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 If it weren't for the two titles (Great Ordeal and UC) I'd thought that the first one might feature the Esmenet/Psatma/Kelmomas storyline and the second the Kellhus/Akka/Sorweel. Now I'm starting to worry that Bakker will consider ideas like that. That would suck so much. Ugh I hope this gets done in one book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callan S. Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Ugh...'plot outcomes'. Like plot is a thing that exists in real life - a meta 'understanding' of writing structure until it reinforces the conceit so much it's the thing come for and expected to be found...why? Never mind it's rendered piecemeal - plot becomes not synonomous with 'moral of the story', it's become synonymous with fragmented, individual events. Guided events. The religious parallel is painfully clear. Off topic, I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Gilfellon Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Maybe it's been split in half because he wants to stick in the massive glossary at the end of the second book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Maybe it's been split in half because he wants to stick in the massive glossary at the end of the second book.Which would presumably make the second book ridiculously short... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callan S. Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 I don't know how someone can write that many words for a joke. Bibles/holy texts don't count - not written in jest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sologdin Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 cliffnotes? you're killing me trisk! infinite jest is something like 480,000 words (dunno if that counts the endnotes and the footnes on the endnotes)--longer than any martin volume, but hardly infinite. it is probably the longest gloss on shakespeare ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarsen Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 I don't know how someone can write that many words for a joke. Bibles/holy texts don't count - not written in jest. What? No Divine Comedies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calibandar Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 At the very least, the Unholy Consult is finished and being split after being finished, despite the book being shorter than A Clash of Kings (so a split makes zero sense). I'm also a bit stunned by the idea of splitting it, if the manuscript for the whole volume ( now called Aspect Emperor) is 350,000 words. That's a lot, but not sure you need to split that into two. I don't really care if they release it in two books, but I would care if that somehow extended the waiting period even more. It's also rather unfortunate how the book seems to be in limbo for quite a while now. I distinctly remember Scott talking about a possible split this time last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diziet Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 I suspect that if the book is still to be published in one volume it'd still be called The Unholy Consult. AE is just what he refers to the whole series having added 350,000 words to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anatúrinbor Posted October 4, 2014 Author Share Posted October 4, 2014 I suspect that if the book is still to be published in one volume it'd still be called The Unholy Consult.Yeah, calling it 'The Aspect-Emperor' would alienate a lot of his Skin-Spy readers, I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Yeah, calling it 'The Aspect-Emperor' would alienate a lot of his Skin-Spy readers, I suspect.That's' "the thing known as Larry" to you, meatsack! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diziet Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Yeah, calling it 'The Aspect-Emperor' would alienate a lot of his Skin-Spy readers, I suspect. ? Skin-spy readers are Bakker buying his own books to get higher sales or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sologdin Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 rather, there's a contingent of readers, even here, who believe that the inchoroi and dunyain are real and that earwa is earth long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 @SBH, solo is a.dunyain/inchie agent. He's ironically implying his.own nonexistance to prove a point, tbough incapable of apprehending paradox. He's a child of the tekne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 rather, there's a contingent of readers, even here, who believe that the inchoroi and dunyain are real and that earwa is earth long ago. Clearly Adolf Hitler was an Inchoroi, or at least one of their agents. Starting a World War is an excellent way to get sufficient body count to shut the world against Heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Are you kidding? Hitler was dunyain. All that genetic stuff, master race stuff, logic and science? Total dunyain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callan S. Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Dun go there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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