Gotham TV

[Kyoshi]

Lesson of the day: After watching and enjoying a TV show, don't visit the Westeros forum to gauge other people's opinions. Ever. But it's my fault. Never again.

[CyanidePie]

You say that like it's a bad thing... :leer: :D

Not sure what I thought of this ep. My first thoughts were, "Oh, no. Not yet another mysterioso "super" drug. Can't writers of the super hero shows get together and at least space such storylines apart or, ya know, be original? But, I guess, overall, it was an OK ep. I like how the criminal alliances are shaping up. Alfred is starting to annoy me. Everything is "bloody" this or that. I know he's supposedly has a tough guy past, but shouldn't a butler have a little more decorum?

Yea I'd really like to just see some meth or heroin or something.

[Jace, Extat]

Yea I'd really like to just see some meth or heroin or something.

You want meth, try Breaking Bad. You want heroin, I know a guy... :kiss:

[Lord Hanna]

You say that like it's a bad thing... :leer: :D

Not sure what I thought of this ep. My first thoughts were, "Oh, no. Not yet another mysterioso "super" drug. Can't writers of the super hero shows get together and at least space such storylines apart or, ya know, be original? But, I guess, overall, it was an OK ep. I like how the criminal alliances are shaping up. Alfred is starting to annoy me. Everything is "bloody" this or that. I know he's supposedly has a tough guy past, but shouldn't a butler have a little more decorum?

Venom is what makes Bane(one of the best batman villains) big and strong, and incredibly intelligent, and is part of one of the best batman comic arcs of all time. The show didn't create it, they call it Viper in the show, but really it's an early stage of Venom from the comics book world.

Just looks bad because Arrow had a super drug not long ago, i agree.

[BearQueen87]

Just finished watching the episode. I thought it was just "okay" which is basically what I've thought about the past few episodes.

I continue to like the Penguin more than anyone else, except Donal Logue who's great. But the show is starting to get a bit slow and there are so many plot lines--Gotham as corrupt which deals with the various mobs, Fish and whatever she's doing with that girl, Arkham, all the future villains--and then there's our villain of the week and his super drug. It's all very nebulous at present and I'm not sure what we're aiming for.

ETA: at least no Barbara this time though. I don't like her character at all.

Bruce was better but only because they're trying to give him more to do than just be set up as "future Batman."

[Lord Hanna]

Just finished watching the episode. I thought it was just "okay" which is basically what I've thought about the past few episodes.

I continue to like the Penguin more than anyone else, except Donal Logue who's great. But the show is starting to get a bit slow and there are so many plot lines--Gotham as corrupt which deals with the various mobs, Fish and whatever she's doing with that girl, Arkham, all the future villains--and then there's our villain of the week and his super drug. It's all very nebulous at present and I'm not sure what we're aiming for.

ETA: at least no Barbara this time though. I don't like her character at all.

Bruce was better but only because they're trying to give him more to do than just be set up as "future Batman."

Fish is using the girl to get to Falcone, so that's part of the mob story-line.

I agree the pacing is a bit slow even if there's lots of story-lines going on. I'm hoping it picks up soon.

[SkynJay]

I have decided I can stomach Bruce if his story shows him trying everything else to save his city and failing until it forced him to put on the suit.

In short, watch him try to be everything but Batman.

[Quoth]

I have decided I can stomach Bruce if his story shows him trying everything else to save his city and failing until it forced him to put on the suit.

In short, watch him try to be everything but Batman.

Oooh... I love this train of thought. :)

[Werthead]

Second episode was better (we're behind in the UK; ep 3 airs on Monday). I really liked how vicious the villains were. No screwing around, they instantly went for the kill the second someone messed with them. Surprisingly ruthless for an American network show. Gave the episode an added edge of danger.

Going down the child PTSD route with Bruce is an also interesting choice and one that could work well. Sean Pertwee is a very good actor, not sure if he's being best used as Alfred at the moment though. Hopefully they give him something more to do later on. The guy playing the Penguin is pretty good though (oddly, just saw in his S4 episode of The Walking Dead as well) and John Doman as Falcone is Grade-A genius casting. Fish Moon is pretty pointless at this stage. Hopefully she isn't shoehorned into every episode.

Overall, it's decent, a fair bit better then Agents of SHIELD was out of the gate.

If this show ends up going the distance, yeah it would be more free to have a separate continuity, but also don't be afraid to do things you said you were not going to do in the beginning of the series.

The studio's already clearly said that Gotham will be its own continuity and will have nothing whatsoever to do with the Snyderverse, thankfully.

[Black Wolf Smith]

You want meth, try Breaking Bad. You want heroin, I know a guy... :kiss:

Or Toys R US.

@Werthead he show up again on Walking Dead S5 E1.

While the plots have been less then what I think they should be, the characters (at least the main cast) are really well thought out, and they are doing very well developing them.

[PetyrPunkinhead]

Episode 5 is exactly what I want this series to be! It started off with an easter egg which made me think I was being introduced to a 2nd tier villain in The Mad Hatter but ended up connecting to an even larger part of the Batman mythos with Venom and uncovering a new conspiracy that is slowly weaving in all our past episodes.

And I love how young Bruce Wayne is thrust in to becoming a detective with not only solving the murder of his parents but also that investigation directly leading to him figuring out he must literally set about cleaning his own "house" with Wayne Enterprises in order to discover the real cause of their deaths. If this season is nothing more than Bruce Wayne realizing he must first clean up his own company before he can hope to clean up Gotham as a whole, then as a life-ling Batman fan I will be very pleased indeed. But you throw in the rise of Penguin and Jim Gordon as well and you've got must-see TV in my book. Yes, some of the acting and writing can at times be a bit hokey (like that end scene with Fish's secret weapon and Falcone) but as a whole I am very pleased with where this series seems to be headed.

Right now I am really looking forward to seeing if Maroni's reaction to Penguin's reveal of his true identity was part of his long game or if he was just rolling with the punches and called in Gordon as a Hail Mary.

This show would be a lot better without Fish Mooney.

False!

It would be even better without Barbra or Bruce.

Doubly false!

[red snow]

I was a bit disappointed that they are already introducing super elements (although I'm pleased it evolved into venom as I was thinking "why not call this viper/venome?). I guess it's better they do it now rather than later.

I found it hard to pay attention to the full episode - probably because I know I'm not missing much. I tend to focus whenever the penguin is on screen and phase out when Gordon and Bullock are together,

Fish Moon is getting more adventurous and leaving that bar more and more often. Her scenes are still painful - none moreso than the "how to act" scene. Is the girl supposed to be a blank slate as I honestly don't know what her deal is other than blindly accepting whatever Fish tells her. Falcone is clearly a shallow customer if he falls for her.

I'm also finding it increasingly difficult to reconcile how this show and "rome" have the same creator. Either Heller is deliberately making this dumb/camp because it's a comic adaptation or the actors, Michael Apted and the usual HBO directors elevated "Rome". I guess I found the first 2 episodes the strongest and they were penned by Heller so maybe the upcoming "penguins umbrella" will be better.

[Werthead]

I'm also finding it increasingly difficult to reconcile how this show and "rome" have the same creator

Rome had a ton of other creative people on board as well, not to mention HBO backing it to the hilt. Heller's other big creation is The Mentalist, which is a very cheesy, LCD procedural. So far Gotham is somewhere between the two in quality (probably a bit closer to Rome, fortunately).

[red snow]

Rome had a ton of other creative people on board as well, not to mention HBO backing it to the hilt. Heller's other big creation is The Mentalist, which is a very cheesy, LCD procedural. So far Gotham is somewhere between the two in quality (probably a bit closer to Rome, fortunately).

Never watched the Mentalist but I can imagine how that may be more indicative of Heller's work. I'm sure there's a lot more hairs being split over creative decisions with a Fox show than a HBO one. As far as I can tell HBO only insists on nudity which with a show like Rome was probably a bonus for the creator. Thinking back it makes sense how, despite being a BBC co-production there were a lot of scenes cut when aired on the beeb. I think they were minor partners though.

[Werthead]

The BBC stumped up about 15% of the budget. When Season 1 aired, they cut out a whole episode and re-edited things to focus more on the sex and nudity, which both destroyed the pacing and made the show look more like porn (as they front-loaded the sex and nudity from the first three episodes into the first one). This didn't help the show sell well in the UK.

[Winterfell is Burning]

The BBC stumped up about 15% of the budget. When Season 1 aired, they cut out a whole episode and re-edited things to focus more on the sex and nudity, which both destroyed the pacing and made the show look more like porn (as they front-loaded the sex and nudity from the first three episodes into the first one). This didn't help the show sell well in the UK.

Yeah. Should be noticed that even still current HBO administration says it was a mistake cancelling Rome (and Deadwood).

Never watched the Mentalist but I can imagine how that may be more indicative of Heller's work. I'm sure there's a lot more hairs being split over creative decisions with a Fox show than a HBO one. .

The Mentalist wasn't terrible, but was only worth watching at one point because Simon Baker was easily one of the most charismatic actors on TV (not unlike The Blacklist, for that matter)

[lacuna]

Refresh my memory here... How did Montoya and Allen come to believe that Gordon shot Cobblepot to begin with?

And how was that, plus the say-so of a homeless guy, enough for them to think they had a case? Don't they need, I dunno, a body before they start rounding up murderers?

[Quoth]

Refresh my memory here... How did Montoya and Allen come to believe that Gordon shot Cobblepot to begin with?

And how was that, plus the say-so of a homeless guy, enough for them to think they had a case? Don't they need, I dunno, a body before they start rounding up murderers?

Yep. That troubled me as well. Likewise, I don't know how they linked into the "murder" originally. Although, it could be easily explained away... The Falcone organization ordered the hit originally, requiring Gordon to do it to prove he's going to be OK to fit in with all the other corrupt machinery. So, the word likely was "on the street and Montoya and Allen could have heard from any number of street sources. Or from other cops, for that matter. But, anyway, yeah... you sort of need a body. Extremely rare case to proceed without one.

[polishgenius]

I'm just wondering how the hell Cobblepot always knows to turn up, dramatically framed in the doorway just when Gordon's being accused of killing him.

[Winterfell is Burning]

I'm just wondering how the hell Cobblepot always knows to turn up, dramatically framed in the doorway just when Gordon's being accused of killing him.

Yeah, how does that work? It would only make sense if the news had gone public, or Allen and Montoya had heard about it some other way.