all swedes are racist Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Kinda like a "the first 100 callers!" get board-certified genius status, plus a free gift, so dont delay, post now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyron Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Fine, I'm a genius. Now where's that coffee mug that was promised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 All I'm getting from this thread is that Trisk is actually Dunyain but he wandered off the reservation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A True Kaniggit Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Dang right I'm a Jenius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Actually, I have an actual question. My son has a speech delay, but he seems to be very intelligent when it comes to reasoning and puzzle-solving...he's even figured out stuff that his older sister can't do. His father is advanced in those same areas, and also had a speech delay. But recently we've ran into behavioral issues, as well. It's frustrating. He's extremely sensitive and quite a perfectionist. I'm not sure what I should do, though...it's really difficult to deal with sometimes. Any suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowleper Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Actually, I have an actual question. My son has a speech delay, but he seems to be very intelligent when it comes to reasoning and puzzle-solving...he's even figured out stuff that his older sister can't do. His father is advanced in those same areas, and also had a speech delay. But recently we've ran into behavioral issues, as well. It's frustrating. He's extremely sensitive and quite a perfectionist. I'm not sure what I should do, though...it's really difficult to deal with sometimes. Any suggestions? I would recommend taking your child to see a specialist if you are that concerned with his behavior or development. You could give us more information -- but I'm not certain how helpful any of our solicited or unsolicited advice will be (particularly since we have no firsthand knowledge concerning your child). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I would recommend taking your child to see a specialist if you are that concerned with his behavior or development. You could give us more information -- but I'm not certain how helpful any of our solicited or unsolicited advice will be (particularly since we have no firsthand knowledge concerning your child). Well, we diagnosed his speech delay early on, so he goes to a specialized preschool. Now that he's getting older and has the ability to communicate better, we've started noticing that he's pretty smart. But along with this came the behavior problems...which we are going to evaluate him for at his school. But I'm thinking that I might need to also have him tested for being gifted, as that might help us determine the best way to go with working with him. Just wondered if anyone else had experience with this sort of thing- I'm a bit lost, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solmyr Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Do you find yourself having to dumb yourself down just to communicate with (your boss, for example)? More and more often I find myself dumbing myself down to communicate with myself. Being smart is so tiresome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sologdin Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Actually, I have an actual question. My son has a speech delay, but he seems to be very intelligent when it comes to reasoning and puzzle-solving...he's even figured out stuff that his older sister can't do. His father is advanced in those same areas, and also had a speech delay. But recently we've ran into behavioral issues, as well. It's frustrating. He's extremely sensitive and quite a perfectionist. I'm not sure what I should do, though...it's really difficult to deal with sometimes. Any suggestions?read up on dabrowski's theory of positive disintegration regarding giftedness and 'overexcitability.' it may be of some assistance. perfectionism and impatience might be normal for kids several SD above the mean; they conceive something in the mind but lack the practical experience or manual dexterity to execute the conception. happens with my daughter all the time, as her engineering projects and art installations come crashing down for want of basic physics knowledge, say. dunno about speech delay; is it a multilingual household? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 read up on dabrowski's theory of positive disintegration regarding giftedness and 'overexcitability.' it may be of some assistance. perfectionism and impatience might be normal for kids several SD above the mean; they conceive something in the mind but lack the practical experience or manual dexterity to execute the conception. happens with my daughter all the time, as her engineering projects and art installations come crashing down for want of basic physics knowledge, say. dunno about speech delay; is it a multilingual household?Well, the speech delay is genetic- it has run in my husband's family for generations. My husband and his brother, his father, some uncles, etc...and it's only expressive, not receptive. Which is why we caught it early...we were looking for it.Thanks for the information about that, though- it really does sound a lot like him. He gets incredibly frustrated but refuses help, and if you try to help him he gets very mad. It's like he is in the "I wanna do it myself" phase, but even more stubborn and more of a perfectionist than other children. And not in a good way- I had to stand outside in the freezing cold waiting for him to push open the car door to let himself out because he wouldn't let him open it for him or help him open it. But this is really helpful- I'll bring it up with the DART assessor during his evaluation next week :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Killer Snark Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Speech delays appear to be historically endemic among mechanical and scientific geniuses, but are also endemic among people diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome, which in my eyes means that modern neurological diagnosis has not much leeway for cases where people are different not through being more advanced than others, in ways the brain can't deal with properly at an early stage of development, and those who have a permanent syndrome. I think the current fashionability of over-diagnosis of various neurological conditions is dangerous, because it tends to point towards genius where it exists as being the consequence of a negative abnormality instead of being something people ought to nurture. It's no suprise that PC for genius is 'mentally different' because the collectivist tendencies of Western society now see the potential for genius or existence of it as dangerous because it contradicts the notion that everyone is either identical in value or we should all strive to be the same. And that's why hardline socialist societies are so rooted in ideals of antimeritocracy and are so scared of art. Both Beethoven and Wagner were great geniuses who were also famously arrogant and this was partly fostered in opposition to their environment, because they were so outside their time. They would hence be even more arrogant if they lived nowadays. They would also be much more likely to be ignored, and to be misdiagnosed into the bargain with Narcissistic Personality Disorder, which I myself have been accused of having whenever I've unspooled my hatred for the corruption of the poetry industry that has blocked its doors to me to people conducting psychological assessments, who have never even bothered to find out whether the self-belief and chagrin is justified by reading my poems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarsen Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 It was many years ago when I did it, but I didn't do it online entirely. It was like portions of it were on a computer and others were things that the therapist put me though, and if I recall correctly, some of those were timed. One of them was like where one was given a series of cards with illustrations of situations on them....like five or six cards that tell a story, so one must look at them and then put them into the proper sequence. Another task that was kind of strange and a total bitch, but just for a fun fact about your humble narrator, the therapist said I murdered (as the kids would say) was this thing where he'd read a sequence of numbers, and the subject then had to repeat them back in the reverse order. And the guy would go up all the way to eight digits and said I was the first he'd ever seen get through that 100%. He asked me what my system was which was that I did something weird to try to break the numbers up into pairs when he said them. At any rate, I am completely open to the possibility that these tests are not flawless nor would they be perfect measurements of intelligence, and the fact that some of the notes and scoring were done by the tester obviously implies that there's an extra element that is subject to human error. At the same time...I'm never going to prove this one like in a game of horse. I've got a PDF that is required for going on that website, and I'm not going to allow anything to threaten my special and quite possibly illegitimate status. :P I was a Mensa member for many years. If you still have the results of your evaluation, Mensa will accept it. The Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale is one of the best IQ test available in terms of validity and reliability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas! Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 As my grandfather was fond of saying: when the gates of Big Poetry are barred to you, circle around behind them and steal their donkeys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Killer Snark Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 That's a good enough saying, except in the cases of modern editors it's impossible to tell the donkeys from their steeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I am quite modest. If you don't have natural humility to some degree or other, chances are it's very difficult to improve. Congrats OP, you reeled one in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essan Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 my impression is that the term genius has been emptied of significance by the recent psychological literature (where's ormond, yo?). i think it once meant persons who test at 145+ IQ, which is like the fourth standard deviation above the mean on wechsler or stanford-binet or whatever. on the kid wechsler, as i recall it, testing into the third SD is like 1%, whereas the fourth SD is more like 0.1%. as we have approximately 100,000 members on the board now, we should therefore possess the talents of more or less 100 bona fide genii. so where you be, genii? first 100 to make the claim get recognized; everyone claiming thereafter is primed out; we can open up a secondary market to auction off bona fide genius titles, i suppose, in which case the normal cappy imperatives will control the identity of the genii.When I was 13 I took a 'proper' IQ test at school (this was back in the years before personal computers had even been invented) - but I think I only scored around 142 or 143. It was part of some study and led, amongst other things, to me being advanced a year (but then I moved schools a year later, so effectively then went through one year all over again :( ) These days my IQ is nearer 42. On a very good day, that is .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sologdin Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 It's no suprise that PC for genius is 'mentally different' because the collectivist tendencies of Western society now see the potential for genius or existence of it as dangerous because it contradicts the notion that everyone is either identical in value or we should all strive to be the same. And that's why hardline socialist societies are so rooted in ideals of antimeritocracy and are so scared of art.there's no empirical basis for this line of strawperson argument, which, in my survey of rand, hayek, and other luminaries of the nihilistic individuation school of thought, constitutes the primary thesis. 'genius' has been superseded by other language, such as 'superior,' 'highly advanced,' or 'upper extreme,' all of which cater to the elitism that nihilistic individuators apparently cherish. of course no one actually argues for the proposition that 'everyone is identical,' nor is it obvious how the antimeritocracy thesis snipe about socialism fits in with the language used to describe IQ classification. reminds me of a teabagger whom i know who complains that the privately owned insurance claims index is a 'subversive socialist plot to control information.' FFS it's private data mining by privately owned for-profit firms. y'all go to the well way too often with the poe's law red-baiting and reflexive 'collectivist' accusations. if of course there are 'collectivist tendencies' in the 'west,' it may be because, yaknow, individualism is an impssible fantasy for children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily Valley Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Everywhere I go people say "Wow this guy is so smart he is a genius" or "Larry you are a genius. No you are THE genius." Sometimes they just say it like a title: "Excuse me, your Genius, what do you think about furries?" Once a passerby exclaimed "Holy crap, a genius" and he pointed at me. I didn't mind, it wasn't his fault he wasn't a genius too. Sometimes they say "Have a great day, Genius." Other times I am called over to save the day: "Help, we can't figure out how to open this beer. Is there a genius around? HELP!!!" I also help famous authors proofread books and make important decisions for important people because they need a genius. I once delivered a X-mas tree for Alan Trammel because he couldn't figure out how to get it from the store to his house. Once the guv'mint told me who killed JFK in exchange for some geniuswork I did for them figuring tough things out. They offered to give me all the money in the US but I had to remind them "Hey, if you did that no one else would have any. Good thing I'm a genius and I know better." And it was a good thing because otherwise I'd have all the money and it would be a big problem. It's just what you do when you are a recognized genius. Larry, there is coffee all over everything that sprayed right out of my nose. Now please bring your genius ass down here and turn this stuff in my refrigerator into an omelette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Killer Snark Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 solgdin - My points are somewhat valid on account of what I've come across others pointing out on the Internet in relation to their views on art and poetry relative to their Far Leftism. There was a self-acknowledged communist on Twitter who claimed that poetry is a bourgeois affectation unless it is deliberately anti-art and carries a political conviction, ie one favourable to socialism. The 'there's no such thing as good or bad poetry, only relevant poetry' maxim I have heard from a wearying number of people online in slightly different words in defence of the type of "positive discrimination" recipients printed by Bloodaxe, is not an invention of the Right. All Far Left governments throughout human history have been relentlessly philistine in their war against expressive individuation. This cannot be denied. I don't believe that IQ has anything whatever to do with genius. Their relation to actual unmeasured intelligence is even under debate. A genius will be invariably to some degree or other intelligent, but not to a quantifiable level. A genius is simply someone who has a very high innate ability to a degree that almost no others or no else have, who are able to create something or pick up on something that effects real change in their particular area, or ought to, because it is particularly unique, and would not have occurred without them, or may have done otherwise another hundred or so years down the line. It is an actual but unquantifiable quality an IQ test won't pick up on, because simply being very intelligent or good at working out IQ tests with practise isn't enough to count. How many of the people out there with over 140 IQs are capable of writing Beethoven's Late Quartets or designig Gaudi's Sagrada Familia or even playing football like Maradona? These people in comparison are simply very bright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Larry, there is coffee all over everything that sprayed right out of my nose. Now please bring your genius ass down here and turn this stuff in my refrigerator into an omelette. I love making omelettes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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