JonCon's Red Beard Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Let's be fair, kids. Mostly watchers don't care about how easy or hard is to cross certain regions. Those who were aware of Asha's impossible journey are those who have the map of Westeros in mind, which are probably less than 1%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia Martell Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 So the rating dropped again? I didn’t realize that. Though I still say it will mean nothing until episode 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnsmith Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Let's be fair, kids. Mostly watchers don't care about how easy or hard is to cross certain regions. Those who were aware of Asha's impossible journey are those who have the map of Westeros in mind, which are probably less than 1%. We can all see the big in your face dundudnnananananana animation at the beginning, so we has a map? Lets us all assume we are those ADT teenagers suffering short term memory loss. A boat would have cut it here, really it would have.. No NOTTTTT a boat why would you imagine that? That would mean Wyman harbour and we jast cannut have that, now can whey? This nitpick is like 0.1% on the richter scale of incontinuous flaw that is currently blighting our screen this season. But it only adds to more displeasure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHeirToDorne Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 http://winteriscoming.net/2015/04/30/hbo-new-game-of-thrones-images-sons-harpy/ Forgive me if this is the wrong thread, but, well, I want to complain. ^^ Get prepared for Sand Snake assassination. Obara looks passable, but Nym and Tyene :bs: Gods, I am dreading seeing more of Porne. It makes you wonder what about it D&D wanted to bring to the screen, when they're literally bringing none of it to the screen. But hey, at least they like camping? :bang: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of the North Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Maybe they do. Do you really need to see every leg of their journey? Nope. And I didn't even come close to saying that I do. I don't care if we see it or not but it should be alluded to or explained in some way. And I believe at least saying they took a boat is a far better way to get them into the North than completely disregarding Moat Cailin's strategic importance. By the way, a strategic importance which has, of course, previously been established in the show. Once again, it's about continuity (something the show is quite bad at). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cashless Society Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Let's be fair, kids. Mostly watchers don't care about how easy or hard is to cross certain regions. Those who were aware of Asha's impossible journey are those who have the map of Westeros in mind, which are probably less than 1%.LF's jetpack has got nothing on Yashara's boat-booster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mourneblade Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 So the rating dropped again? I didn’t realize that. Though I still say it will mean nothing until episode 5. Very true... if week 5 has more than 8 mil viewers then the ratings for 2-4 will be written off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tijgy Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 About Brienne and Pod, I always think I would have not cared about it when Brienne would not have mentioned it going around MC. About the pictures, I think they are at least right Emilia Clark looks very beautiful. And how relaxing she finally looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 There's plenty of real-world examples of difficult terrain that a small group of people can get through that an army can't, it would be far dumber for the swamps to be so dangerous that absolutely no one can get through them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of the North Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 So the rating dropped again? I didn’t realize that. Though I still say it will mean nothing until episode 5. I agree. We just don't really know what effect the leaked first four episodes had so I think we'll have to wait until after episode 5 to see how the public is really feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mourneblade Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 There's plenty of real-world examples of difficult terrain that a small group of people can get through that an army can't, it would be far dumber for the swamps to be so dangerous that absolutely no one can get through them. It depends on how determined that army is...Historically speaking there have been many times that an army HAS been able to move through an area that was deemed impassible. Something even Robb did in the books.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnsmith Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 There's plenty of real-world examples of difficult terrain that a small group of people can get through that an army can't, it would be far dumber for the swamps to be so dangerous that absolutely no one can get through them. Real warld commando's trained in Azai that shadowslayer have crossed far more treacherous terrain with the right navigational equipment. Although a boat is a far easier option going around kragon infested swampland. Point for point incontinuous to prior information seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Tommen's face is like "I had sex. I'm a man now". That should be Aegon's... A: I had sex. I am man now. I...JC: *punch* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I don't care how bad of an actress Keisha Castle-Hughes -allegedly- is. She's EXACTLY how I imagined Obara. Tyene, I can't even. Bitterface looks more dangerous with her killer shoulder pads than she does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tijgy Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I never did say it was entire impossible for people go through a swamp. But in my understanding of the Neck, it is almost a dead sentence to do that if you do that. How would they be able to find the way through the swamp? Would they not be eaten by all those creatures there? ...That is why I keep saying the only way to get through the swamp is if someone of the inhabitants guide you through it. But like JRCB said, it is indeed a minor detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyk65 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I'm nervous as hell for Brienne and Pod to successfully navigate the Swamps of Sadness without losing Artax in the process....all while running from the nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 It depends on how determined that army is...Historically speaking there have been many times that an army HAS been able to move through an area that was deemed impassible. Something even Robb did in the books.... Of course. The most famous being Hannibal crossing the Alps, although the crossing did kill half his men and there's a reason its considered one of the most impressive military accomplishments of the ancient world. For all we know, perhaps an army heading North with a charismatic enough leader willing to suffer those kinds of losses could also get through the Neck going around Moat Cailin; although the crannogman complicate things even more than anything Hannibal had to deal with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Cygne Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Tommen's face is like "I had sex. I'm a man now". That should be Aegon's... A: I had sex. I am man now. I... JC: *punch* He's being exploited, too, and it's not just his young age, let's pretend he's 16 and he's boss of him. It's that we never got to know him first. What are his hopes and dreams? Do we get to see him in a quiet moment, reflecting on what's going on around him? Or is he just being used as a prop in someone else's story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud RR Martin Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Of course. The most famous being Hannibal crossing the Alps, although the crossing did kill half his men and there's a reason its considered one of the most impressive military accomplishments of the ancient world. For all we know, perhaps an army heading North with a charismatic enough leader willing to suffer those kinds of losses could also get through the Neck going around Moat Cailin; although the crannogman complicate things even more than anything Hannibal had to deal with. Hannibal lost 72% of his forces. Assuming the same loss for Brienne and Pod. that leaves us a little more than a half a Brienne, and a show improved by 40%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of the North Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 There's plenty of real-world examples of difficult terrain that a small group of people can get through that an army can't, it would be far dumber for the swamps to be so dangerous that absolutely no one can get through them. Yeah, looking at a map they're actually already half-way through the Neck anyway if they're at Moat Cailin. The story the show runners have chosen to portray needs them in the North so they'll be in the North. That's basically the end of it. But I disagree with you that it's "far dumber" for swamps to be so dangerous that no one can get through them. I don't think it was dumb of Martin to present the Neck this way because the near impassability of the terrain is only part of the problem. The other even more dangerous part is the Crannogmen. They will harry and guerrilla warfare anyone who isn't supposed to be there and basically make it impossible for them to get through. They know the terrain and the environment and how to move unseen in it. And this is to say nothing of the possibility of wargs, etc. among the crannogmen. ETA: Just saw Fez's follow-up about Hannibal and how the crannogmen complicate things. Yes, I think the crannogmen are even more of a danger than the swamp itself. But the show isn't the books and, while I feel the show would be helped by following the books a bit more closely, I certainly don't expect it to mirror them - that's completely unrealistic. However, I do think the show has many problems just in and of itself and they've been compounding for awhile now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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