Tijgy Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 So about that Myrcella's necklace. I don't remember it quite well but was it explained how did it end in that "message" to Cersei? I could rewatch the Dorne scenes but I rather not ... I thought Ellaria or one of the SS's stole it from her? The major problem with the necklaces was the fact there were more than two. In season 1 Sansa got one from Joffrey (or am I wrong?). So there were at least three in existence and not two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay's 20 Good Men Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 I thought Ellaria or one of the SS's stole it from her? The major problem with the necklaces was the fact there were more than two. In season 1 Sansa got one from Joffrey (or am I wrong?). So there were at least three in existence and not two. Didn't Tyrion also give Shae a lion necklace as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cashless Society Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Wait, wait, wait. I've just casually googled for pics of Jaime and found these: Season 1: http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/23100000/Jaime-Lannister-jaime-lannister-23108821-1600-1200.jpg Season 4: http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1786222!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/game-thrones-season-4.jpg Is it just me or did they purposely swapped the way his armour looked in the books? I recall him having used an expensive gilded Lannister armor before his character development and swapping it to the polished white of the Kingsguard after his adventures with Brienne make him rethink his life. Bloody hells, it is the exact opposite in the show! Giving him a Kingsguard armor in season 1 for budget reasons is excusable, but changing it with a gilded one after Brienne's departure... they must have did it on purpose, that's... I simply cannot get my head around why anybody would do that... Actually, every KG member wears the second one from season 4 onwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cashless Society Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 So about that Myrcella's necklace. I don't remember it quite well but was it explained how did it end in that "message" to Cersei? I could rewatch the Dorne scenes but I rather not ... Myrcella explicitly states that it was stolen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tijgy Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Didn't Tyrion also give Shae a lion necklace as well? I know some people in the R&R threads did mention this, but I can't remember myself when he did that (that is why I said "at least". But it looks like Tyrion also gave one to Ros. So there exist at least four (Cersei, Myrcella, Sansa and Ros) or (edit) maybe even five (Cersei, Myrcella, Sansa, Ros and Shae). This was the reason why some "fans" thought Cersei was trying to trick Jaime in sending him away... But it looks like they forgot the male Lannisters were giving away a lot of those necklaces. The worst thing is that Cersei actually used to know there were more than two necklaces? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crixus Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 I tried re-watching the first few epis over the weekend; couldn't. Nearly every scene was tainted. Looking back at S1 now, I marvel at the quality, the tone... where did it all go? I suspect the quality of the show has an inverse relationship with D&D's egos. I've heard and read a lot of disparaging comments on LOST (including the infamous 'pulling a LOST" from GRRM himself). I was an avid fan of that show till S5. Come S6, and well... I think we all know what happened. But even with S6, I think LOST is better, far better than GoT as it stands. Mainly, this is down to the characters. Despite making the characters look like blithering unquestioning idiots towards the end, overall I thought many of them were written and acted very well across 6 years. Locke and Jack come to mind; Sawyer, Hurley, Sayid (ignore Sayid in S6!). They had distinct personalities and baggage and flaws; you got to know and love/loathe them (Ben!). For me at least, the show was about the characters, not the nth mystery unresolved (well, that too but not so much). Here, with GoT, they've let the characters down and for me, that is a deal breaker. They've stripped away nuance and complexity and reduced most characters to one-note expository vessels with a superficial trait emblazoned over their foreheads: Jaime=pining bro; Arya=cool-killer, Sansa=rape fodder etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay's 20 Good Men Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 I know some people in the R&R threads did mention this, but I can't remember myself when he did that (that is why I said "at least". But it looks like Tyrion also gave one to Ros. So there exist at least four (Cersei, Myrcella, Sansa and Ros) or five (Cersei, Myrcella, Sansa, Ros and Shae). This was the reason why some "fans" thought Cersei was trying to trick Jaime in sending him away... But it looks like they forgot the male Lannisters were giving away a lot of those necklaces. The worst thing is that Cersei actually used to know there were more than two necklaces? It may have been Ros I was thinking of, not Shae. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cashless Society Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 I know some people in the R&R threads did mention this, but I can't remember myself when he did that (that is why I said "at least". But it looks like Tyrion also gave one to Ros. So there exist at least four (Cersei, Myrcella, Sansa and Ros) or (edit) maybe even five (Cersei, Myrcella, Sansa, Ros and Shae). This was the reason why some "fans" thought Cersei was trying to trick Jaime in sending him away... But it looks like they forgot the male Lannisters were giving away a lot of those necklaces. The worst thing is that Cersei actually used to know there were more than two necklaces? Shae does not have one. And the one given to Ros is different to the others. So there are 3, not 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tijgy Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Shae does not have one. And the one given to Ros is different to the others. So there are 3, not 2. You are right about Ros' Her's is much larger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annara Snow Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 On an unrelated topic, I think D&D spend more time in Microsoft Excel than Microsoft Word. That is the root of all problems. Themes are for 8th grade students, but assets management is for university graduates. This is the hidden meaning in their words of wisdom. Damn. I blame education systems. I know what you mean, but this conjured an image in my mind of D&D writing the first draft of their scripts in Excel. It probably goes something like this: Boobs (in pairs) per episode Boobs overall Rapes of main characters Rapes of minor characters/extras Rapes overall Deaths of main characters Deaths of minor characters/extras Deaths overall Olenna gay jokes Other gay jokes Gay jokes overall Sassy lines per episode Sassy lines overall Dragons per episode Dragons overall People praising Tyrion per episode People praising Tyrion overall Shocking moments per episode Shocking moments episode 9 Shocking moments episode 10 Shocking moments overall And of course, they have the same stats for previous seasons, including Nielsen ratings, download ratings, Emmy noms and $$$$, and use it for comparison to know if they have the right amount of boobs, dragons, gay jokes, murders, Tyrion love, rapes and shocking moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Agrippa Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 ... themes character development travel distances how to write strong female characters basic logic ... oh, and Benioff has some experience with failing to understand the Iliad and X-Men. Don't get me started on troy. The hate is real. WHY DID PARIS LIVE?!?!??!?!?!??!?!??!?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apovsic Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Myrcella explicitly states that it was stolen. I totally forgot about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primalsplit Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 I know what you mean, but this conjured an image in my mind of D&D writing the first draft of their scripts in Excel. It probably goes something like this: Boobs (in pairs) per episode Boobs overall Rapes of main characters Rapes of minor characters/extras Rapes overall Deaths of main characters Deaths of minor characters/extras Deaths overall Olenna gay jokes Other gay jokes Gay jokes overall Sassy lines per episode Sassy lines overall Dragons per episode Dragons overall People praising Tyrion per episode People praising Tyrion overall Shocking moments per episode Shocking moments episode 9 Shocking moments episode 10 Shocking moments overall And of course, they have the same stats for previous seasons, including Nielsen ratings, download ratings, Emmy noms and $$$$, and use it for comparison to know if they have the right amount of boobs, dragons, gay jokes, murders, Tyrion love, rapes and shocking moments. They probably formed a visual graph based on those factors and their relations with ratings throughout seasons too. And of course a revenue/cost graph based on ratings and production costs. Damn someone must tell them the causation-correlation thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alienarea Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Don't get me started on troy. The hate is real. WHY DID PARIS LIVE?!?!??!?!?!??!?!??!?!?! I'm with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TepidHands Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 I totally forgot about it. It happened in Dorne, and we're ALL trying to forget about THAT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apovsic Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Don't get me started on troy. The hate is real. WHY DID PARIS LIVE?!?!??!?!?!??!?!??!?!?! Creatively it makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Cygne Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 They really should hit a hard wall with the latter. I think Star Wars fans are very aware of what happens in their favourite movies, despite GoT fans. There are many diehard fans of it, and they can see the bullshit very well. Yeah, I'm a big Star Wars fan (not the horrible prequels), but it's very telling that Benioff not only missed the point of being a Jedi, and that Yoda explicitly told Luke when he returned, "No more training do you require. Already know you that which you need," but that Benioff casually misrepresented the story, like it didn't even matter. Which is what he's doing with ASOIAF, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuvuuia Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 But even with S6, I think LOST is better, far better than GoT as it stands. Yeah, I think Lost went too over-complicated and they used to introduce potentially interesting characters only to kill them off without development, but there were engaging characters and they didn't tried to be gritty and edgy. And as far as I remember Lost was actually heavily criticized for it's failures. I know what you mean, but this conjured an image in my mind of D&D writing the first draft of their scripts in Excel. It probably goes something like this: Boobs (in pairs) per episode Boobs overall Rapes of main characters Rapes of minor characters/extras Rapes overall Deaths of main characters Deaths of minor characters/extras Deaths overall Olenna gay jokes Other gay jokes Gay jokes overall Sassy lines per episode Sassy lines overall Dragons per episode Dragons overall People praising Tyrion per episode People praising Tyrion overall Shocking moments per episode Shocking moments episode 9 Shocking moments episode 10 Shocking moments overall And of course, they have the same stats for previous seasons, including Nielsen ratings, download ratings, Emmy noms and $$$$, and use it for comparison to know if they have the right amount of boobs, dragons, gay jokes, murders, Tyrion love, rapes and shocking moments. :lmao: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Cygne Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Yeah, I think Lost went too over-complicated and they used to introduce potentially interesting characters only to kill them off without development, but there were engaging characters and they didn't tried to be gritty and edgy. And as far as I remember Lost was actually heavily criticized for it's failures. I don't want to say too much, but it wasn't worth watching. And there were very vocal defenders of the mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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