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Wait, Robert Strong and Jaime are together? :( Oh, right, Ramsay is a badass and Littlefinger is the hero of the North so it totally makes sense that Jaime is working with the evil Frankengregor because this is Bizarro World.

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22 minutes ago, Cas Stark said:

LOL, that was a long article and other than that little snafu he gets everything else right, and I guess you could say Bri sort of escorts Arya in that one episode while she's throwing down with the Hound.  

Everything else right?  He basically said GRRM was a boring writer.  I mean how wrong can a person be?

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If Bran does merge with the tree in the show, I will assume that is D&D "making the story better" because that is a very convenient way to get rid of Bran without killing him off. Basically, I am going to trust nothing on the show from now on in regards to future plotlines. No, not even the ending of the show.

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1 minute ago, The Winged Wolf Bran Stark said:

If Bran does merge with the tree in the show, I will assume that is D&D "making the story better" because that is a very convenient way to get rid of Bran without killing him off. Basically, I am going to trust nothing on the show from now on in regards to future plotlines. No, not even the ending of the show.

Bran is merging, let's assume it's different than in the books......

well, what if he is merging only in the first episodes? 

that scene is unwatchable

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28 minutes ago, LadySoftheart said:

He's also wrong about both Dunnett and Martin - Dunnett has an amazingly written sword fight in her first Lymond book, and well, we all know Martin can write. Clive James is just being a contrarian and showing his genre-despising credentials. (Please, it's not as though literary writers like Margaret Atwood and John Banville haven't written genre fiction because they totally have. If it's not your genre of choice that's fine, but to belittle the author of the Red Wedding to bolster the authors of "you need the bad pussy" is just being contrarian.)

I can't find the link now, but I remember last year Atwood jumped on the "GoT has improved GRRM's books" bandwagon. 

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1 hour ago, kissdbyfire said:

It doesn't matter, nothing does. As long as it's exciting, titillating, shocking, and hugely dramatically satisfying. 

And now I'm left wondering... Ok, the Umbers give Rickon to the Boltons. What about Osha and Shaggy? Are both getting killed in a completely stupid and demeaning manner? Yes, remember what they did to Grey Wind? So, either the evul!Umbers kill Shaggy off screen (so they don't even have to bother with CGIing another pesky direwolf), and Osha gets her head chopped off in her first scene, or the same shit happens only it's the Boltons doing it. 

Also, Ghost looks ridiculous, sorry. Too top heavy with skinny legs, just silly. 

 

Rickon Porcupine sounds like something to top Shireen's pyre. No idea how they're going to sell this, the last Umber we saw, Great Jon, was incredibly Stark-supportive, and in S3 they're recommended as a safe haven. Osha and Shaggy have to go. Presumably flayed - but why would the Umbers even hand Rickon over? Why do the Boltons have this supreme power, one that turns the entire North submissive? Weren't they fretting over Stannis' mighty host mid-season (until, of course, Ramsay eviscerated his war chances with twenty good men)? 

It feels like there's no balance in this show anymore. No light, only dark. Deep black dark that's impossible to penetrate. The good exist only to suffer. There is no kindly figures in this world anymore, no optimists. Only bitter individuals and monsters. For all the darkness things like Manderly, Val, Brienne's kindness etc do add some encouragement in the reader. There is hope. The show is just so bleak now. When the central aim of all your characters is vengeance, who do you root for? Vengeance is so unfulfilling. 

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8 minutes ago, The Winged Wolf Bran Stark said:

If Bran does merge with the tree in the show, I will assume that is D&D "making the story better" because that is a very convenient way to get rid of Bran without killing him off. Basically, I am going to trust nothing on the show from now on in regards to future plotlines. No, not even the ending of the show.

I'm with you. I've been saying that for a long time, and now it's clearer than ever that it's true, the show won't spoil jack, and no, it can't be used as a way to try and figure out where the books are going. Trying to figure out book plots based on what the show is doing is madness. 

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6 minutes ago, Sir Drew said:

Rickon Porcupine sounds like something to top Shireen's pyre. No idea how they're going to sell this, the last Umber we saw, Great Jon, was incredibly Stark-supportive, and in S3 they're recommended as a safe haven. Osha and Shaggy have to go. Presumably flayed - but why would the Umbers even hand Rickon over? Why do the Boltons have this supreme power, one that turns the entire North submissive? Weren't they fretting over Stannis' mighty host mid-season (until, of course, Ramsay eviscerated his war chances with twenty good men)? 

It feels like there's no balance in this show anymore. No light, only dark. Deep black dark that's impossible to penetrate. The good exist only to suffer. There is no kindly figures in this world anymore, no optimists. Only bitter individuals and monsters. For all the darkness things like Manderly, Val, Brienne's kindness etc do add some encouragement in the reader. There is hope. The show is just so bleak now. When the central aim of all your characters is vengeance, who do you root for? Vengeance is so unfulfilling. 

Yeah, it's true. And I think it's in part to do with the dumbing down in general, but, more importantly, it has to do with the understanding Mr Benioff and Mr Weiss have of the story. This is also something that's been painfully apparent for quite some time now. They can go on and on about the their characters being grey all they want, it doesn't make it true. They've turned ASoIaF into a very run-of-the-mill mediocre good v evil story, told in the most nihilistic way possible. 

That's why my "jump the shark" moment was when Joffrey got two prostitues for his name day, and we had a long torture porn session. Yes, there were issues even before in s 1, but it was a very good adaptation back then. Back then, things like the infamous "play with her arse" scene were the exception, now they're the rule. 

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23 minutes ago, Sir Drew said:

Rickon Porcupine sounds like something to top Shireen's pyre. No idea how they're going to sell this, the last Umber we saw, Great Jon, was incredibly Stark-supportive, and in S3 they're recommended as a safe haven. Osha and Shaggy have to go. Presumably flayed - but why would the Umbers even hand Rickon over? Why do the Boltons have this supreme power, one that turns the entire North submissive? Weren't they fretting over Stannis' mighty host mid-season (until, of course, Ramsay eviscerated his war chances with twenty good men)? 

It feels like there's no balance in this show anymore. No light, only dark. Deep black dark that's impossible to penetrate. The good exist only to suffer. There is no kindly figures in this world anymore, no optimists. Only bitter individuals and monsters. For all the darkness things like Manderly, Val, Brienne's kindness etc do add some encouragement in the reader. There is hope. The show is just so bleak now. When the central aim of all your characters is vengeance, who do you root for? Vengeance is so unfulfilling. 

^This. I knew when they had the North reject Stannis issues like this would come up

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1 minute ago, kissdbyfire said:

We'll get a lot of FrankenGregor, won't we? 

I think so.  I'll be interested to see if FrankenGregor is made to be more independent in the show because I strongly suspect that Qyburn is pretty much controlling him in the books.  And, as was said upthread, I don't give any care to the show ever spoiling the books.

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Just now, SerMixalot said:

Why would the Lannisters be sending their forces to the Great Sept now that Cersei is free?

Maybe its to root out the high sparrow and his followers?

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