[Spoilers] Rant and Rave with Impunity

[Nerevanin]

 

13 minutes ago, Dofs said:

Jaime later wonders if High Septon haven't killed Cersei already so he definitely understood in what kind of danger Cersei was.

Regarding Jaime in the show overail, I think it is really overthinking when you try to explain why in the show he acts differently than in the books - that he is different because Cersei is different, because he doesn't know as much as in the books, because his circumstances are different and so an on. While this is all true, it is all irrelevant in front of one main simple reason - Show Jaime and Book Jaime are simply different people. Show one doesn't act like book Jaime, he doesn't think like one, he doesn't even talk like one, they just have different personalities and hence behave differently and that's all there is. And while subjectively I am very upset of the change, objectively it is fine as long as show Jaime is consistent within the series. But I don't think he is. I just don't believe that the one we see in current episodes is the same person from seasons 1 to 3. The writers have made him way too different.

In the books? Can you please quote the part?

And yes, I suppose that it can be said that there are two Jaimes. That's more or less what I tried to explain with my previous post, although I added a few circumstances that imo contribute to the difference.

[Dofs]

On 26/07/2017 at 4:09 PM, Nerevanin said:

In the books? Can you please quote the part?

Sure.

"He would have to face her, he supposed. Assuming the High Septon had not put her to death by the time he got back to the city."

[Bear42]

I can't be the only who finds Lady Olenna completely insufferable, can I?

Every review I read is dripping with "OMG Olenna is such a BOSS! SLAY!", but nothing she said made any sense or provided any value.

Her great advice is to ignore the council of clever men.  And do what instead? Should she only listen to the advice of women, or not listen to any advice at all?  Tywin had it right when he told Tommen a wise ruler heeds the council of others and don't just be a belligerent tyrant.  This show misses Tywin.  Is she really insinuating that Margery's downfall was due to the fact that the people didn't fear her?  Not sure I agree with that assessment.  People feared the Mad King, that didn't really help things.

Then she bases her qualifications for giving said advice on the fact that she outlived all the people she ignored, but fails to mention the fate of all the people she advised in the past.  How did that work out for Margery? Lady Olenna was in her ear from the beginning and we know what that got her.  Killing Joffrey kind of blew up her face didn't it.  I know she didn't have complete control of Mace and he made mistakes too, but her house has been decimated in large part due to her decisions.  Played by Littlefinger, beaten by the High Sparrow, and finished off by Cercei. Nice bona fides.

Then she closes it out with a meaningless statement about being a dragon and not a sheep.  Just another quote that belongs in a trailer or on a poster but means nothing.  Like when Dany said she was going to "break the wheel."  Sounded cool, meant nothing.

[Cas Stark]

17 minutes ago, Bear42 said:

I can't be the only who finds Lady Olenna completely insufferable, can I?

Every review I read is dripping with "OMG Olenna is such a BOSS! SLAY!", but nothing she said made any sense or provided any value.

Her great advice is to ignore the council of clever men.  And do what instead? Should she only listen to the advice of women, or not listen to any advice at all?  Tywin had it right when he told Tommen a wise ruler heeds the council of others and don't just be a belligerent tyrant.  This show misses Tywin.  Is she really insinuating that Margery's downfall was due to the fact that the people didn't fear her?  Not sure I agree with that assessment.  People feared the Mad King, that didn't really help things.

Then she bases her qualifications for giving said advice on the fact that she outlived all the people she ignored, but fails to mention the fate of all the people she advised in the past.  How did that work out for Margery? Lady Olenna was in her ear from the beginning and we know what that got her.  Killing Joffrey kind of blew up her face didn't it.  I know she didn't have complete control of Mace and he made mistakes too, but her house has been decimated in large part due to her decisions.  Played by Littlefinger, beaten by the High Sparrow, and finished off by Cercei. Nice bona fides.

Then she closes it out with a meaningless statement about being a dragon and not a sheep.  Just another quote that belongs in a trailer or on a poster but means nothing.  Like when Dany said she was going to "break the wheel."  Sounded cool, meant nothing.

That's what the show is about now, it has further devolved from being 'big scenes' that didn't make sense in relation to the plot and other scenes where now it's about 'big lines'  Break The Wheel.  Shall We Begin.  Be a Dragon.  

[Queen of Procrastination]

24 minutes ago, Bear42 said:

I can't be the only who finds Lady Olenna completely insufferable, can I?

Every review I read is dripping with "OMG Olenna is such a BOSS! SLAY!", but nothing she said made any sense or provided any value.

Her great advice is to ignore the council of clever men.  And do what instead? Should she only listen to the advice of women, or not listen to any advice at all?  Tywin had it right when he told Tommen a wise ruler heeds the council of others and don't just be a belligerent tyrant.  This show misses Tywin.  Is she really insinuating that Margery's downfall was due to the fact that the people didn't fear her?  Not sure I agree with that assessment.  People feared the Mad King, that didn't really help things.

Then she bases her qualifications for giving said advice on the fact that she outlived all the people she ignored, but fails to mention the fate of all the people she advised in the past.  How did that work out for Margery? Lady Olenna was in her ear from the beginning and we know what that got her.  Killing Joffrey kind of blew up her face didn't it.  I know she didn't have complete control of Mace and he made mistakes too, but her house has been decimated in large part due to her decisions.  Played by Littlefinger, beaten by the High Sparrow, and finished off by Cercei. Nice bona fides.

Then she closes it out with a meaningless statement about being a dragon and not a sheep.  Just another quote that belongs in a trailer or on a poster but means nothing.  Like when Dany said she was going to "break the wheel."  Sounded cool, meant nothing.

No you are not alone. She has become completely insufferable. Her advice this episode was complete bullshit. However, I bet some people will find it badass and I wouldn't be surprised if we soon get some T-shirts with "be a dragon" written on it. 

 

[SerJeremiahLouistark]

On 7/24/2017 at 8:43 AM, Regular John Umber said:

 I'm constantly baffled by things like this. They say there's too much book to put on the show, but yet we get how many minutes of this pointless romance? how many minutes of brothels and Podrick... You could easily swap all that out for a Lady Stoneheart, or a proper Dorne, etc...

 

Easily, hell we could have gotten 10 minutes of Bran vision, 10 minutes at the wall, shit we haven't seen Bran but for what? A minute and a half this season?  He is the 3 eyed raven not some unsullied captain.  Wtf?

[SerJeremiahLouistark]

I don't understand how Jaime is just la de da going along with Cersei.  Book Jaime would never go along with what she did.  She did what Jaime killed Aerys for planning to do, or maybe that's just something that Jaime tells himself so he can sleep at night as Edmure was referring to in that scene from last season before Edmure gave Riverrun to the Lannister army.  

[Future Null Infinity]

24 minutes ago, SerJeremiahLouistark said:

I don't understand how Jaime is just la de da going along with Cersei.  Book Jaime would never go along with what she did.  She did what Jaime killed Aerys for planning to do, or maybe that's just something that Jaime tells himself so he can sleep at night as Edmure was referring to in that scene from last season before Edmure gave Riverrun to the Lannister army.  

Jaime as a character have a very high sense of duty and family and his duty as commander of the royal guards is to protect the queen ans as a lannister is to protect the lannister house

And storywise, they are a pairing, so their stories is meaningless without each other

[Liver and Onions]

3 hours ago, SerJeremiahLouistark said:

I don't understand how Jaime is just la de da going along with Cersei.  Book Jaime would never go along with what she did.  She did what Jaime killed Aerys for planning to do, or maybe that's just something that Jaime tells himself so he can sleep at night as Edmure was referring to in that scene from last season before Edmure gave Riverrun to the Lannister army.  

I'm afraid the only answer is bad writing. Jaime's character arc took a sharp turn after season 3 into Palookaville, with no signs of returning. But he might make a sudden and inexplicable return at the series' end to shock the audience (spoiler: I won't be shocked.) 

[Edward Teach]

Why didn't Olenna summon Randyl to come to her aid when she rose in rebellion? When a liege lord does that, he calls the lords sworn to his house to fight for him. Yet she, for some reason, decided to keep her most loyal lord (who happens to be Westeros' greatest military commander) out of this and instead just left her home and her remaining soldiers under the command of... who exactly? Makes no sense.

[Cas Stark]

Show Sansa is awful, there is no getting around it:   immature, selfish, petty, destructive.

Euron remains much improved over last year, but why stage a battle that no one can see?  It was sooooo dark for that scene, I wanted to see the Spice Snakes get it in a well lighted room.

The Nymeria/Arya stuff was weird, and pointless....I suspect it was the show's way of reminding the audience that there is a wolf out there w/a wolf pack because that wolf is going to come back in some final battle, and probably die.

Stormborn's deadpanning was among her worst ever outings.  

The battle plan of everyone is so stupid it isn't even worth ranting about in detail, because no one cares anymore including me.  Let's just get down to the last season and get The End.

[AEJON TARGARYEN]

On 24/7/2017 at 8:25 AM, The Bard of Banefort said:

I'm a bit nervous to ask this, but was that weird half-wave between Jon and Sansa supposed to harken back to virtually the same scene with Jaime and Brienne from last season?

Yes, both episodes were directed by Mark Mylod, I don't think it was a coincidence. (6x08 and 7x02)

[Ser Yorick Ampersand]

Too bad that the battle scene was all about jump cuts and shaky cam, couldnt tell what was happening half the time. Terribly dark too.

For a second I thought Dragons were fighting or that the Masters had come to Westeros with their catapult-fireball ships.

I'm rooting for Euron to kill Lady Sandra now that he is getting rid of annoying failed characters.

Extremely necessary 6min of scissoring softcore porn filler #fortheplot

In Dragonstone they called Jon a Snow, but wouldnt he be a Stark? Ramsay had to drop the Snow to be a Bolton... RIP logic

I wish Nymeria and the pack had killed Arya. They cleary dont know what to do with her character, she's too OP and a reunion would be cringeworthy.

No Bran whatsoever. Daenerys got a letter to Winterfell faster than Castle Black could ??? Bran is only the rightfull Lord of Winterfell.!:!$#"#"/%

[Yukle]

3 hours ago, Ser Yorick Ampersand said:

 

In Dragonstone they called Jon a Snow, but wouldnt he be a Stark? Ramsay had to drop the Snow to be a Bolton... RIP logic

 

Dany doesn't recognise his claim to the Kingship. She'd still refer to him as Jon Snow, and treat with him as, at best, a high-ranking military commander rather than a monarch.

Calling him "Jon Stark" is tantamount to legitamising his claim.

[Nerevanin]

17 hours ago, Dofs said:

Sure.

"He would have to face her, he supposed. Assuming the High Septon had not put her to death by the time he got back to the city."

Oh, interesting. Thank you. I totally forgot that there was such a line.

EDIT: and sorry for the smiley in my previous post that you caught before I edited it, it had nothing to do with your post I quote, it was just a mistake.

[Nerevanin]

6 hours ago, Ser Yorick Ampersand said:

In Dragonstone they called Jon a Snow, but wouldnt he be a Stark? Ramsay had to drop the Snow to be a Bolton... RIP logic

Either what @Yukle said or, what I like better, because I think that you should treat even your enemies with respect (and Jon isn't an enemy, he's a potential ally), Jon kept "Snow" instead of "Stark" to remember where he came from.

Or, even more simply, "Snow" changing to "Stark" would be so damn confusing for the audience, way more than the tons of unexplained and illogical things, so they kept "Snow".

[boojam]

22 hours ago, spongehands said:

You guys have already more than covered the main issues but one other little thing that annoyed me, wasn't balerion's skull entirely too small? 

In the books I'm sure it's described as big enough to drive a horse and cart through or something but it didn't look any bigger than drogon to me

It's a minor detail, but I was thinking that too. I mean it looks a little bigger than Drogon's head but not a lot. Seems Drogon should be that big this season and bigger next. We have not really gotten a 'scale' shot of Drogon yet.

I seem to recall that Dragonstone is roomy enough to have a Large Dragon Pit? That where they stay during storms?

 

Maybe Balerion's size was exaggerated? 

[boojam]

On 7/26/2017 at 0:24 AM, A Ghost of Someone said:

Something that bothered my about the argument between "Saint" Tyrion and Ellaria Sand is when Tyrion called her out on poisoning Myrcella, he seems to forget that his family, Joff and Cersei had Robert's illegit children hunted down and murdered, including the slitting of little newborn baby Bara in Little Finger's brothel. Then again, Lannisters always think they are worth more than anyone else, even their Bastards.

Tyrion knew about the Bastards being hunted down and slaughtered as that was brought up when he was looking for a reason to send Janos Slynt away in order to wrest Harrenhal away from him.

Ellaria had a perfect rejoinder and didn't say it.

"Who is responsible for the Red Wedding and who killed your father?"

[Thor Odinson]

9 hours ago, Ser Yorick Ampersand said:

Too bad that the battle scene was all about jump cuts and shaky cam, couldnt tell what was happening half the time. Terribly dark too.

For a second I thought Dragons were fighting or that the Masters had come to Westeros with their catapult-fireball ships.

I'm rooting for Euron to kill Lady Sandra now that he is getting rid of annoying failed characters.

Extremely necessary 6min of scissoring softcore porn filler #fortheplot

In Dragonstone they called Jon a Snow, but wouldnt he be a Stark? Ramsay had to drop the Snow to be a Bolton... RIP logic

I wish Nymeria and the pack had killed Arya. They cleary dont know what to do with her character, she's too OP and a reunion would be cringeworthy.

No Bran whatsoever. Daenerys got a letter to Winterfell faster than Castle Black could ??? Bran is only the rightfull Lord of Winterfell.!:!$#"#"/%

Jon was named King in the North. He didn't get legitimized and become a Stark.

[Nowy Tends]

This show has become an insult to "normal" intelligence (and normal visual acuity).

Suspension of disbelief no longer works when it's required every 10 seconds.

I have more fun reading the "rant and rave" threads of this forum than to watch “Tits & Dragons for pre-teens”…

Director of photography of last episode is P.J. Dillon. I don't believe he'll get an Oscar for the sea battle scene…