US politics: No sub rosa Omarosa

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

Pierson can explain why she lied to Fox News' viewers.

https://crooksandliars.com/2018/08/cbs-news-releases-omarosa-audio-tape-where

Tape, son.  'Gotta hit record like a motherfucker around these clowns.

[Morpheus]

Some rumblings that the Manafort defense is seeking a mistrial based on juror misconduct

[Paladin of Ice]

2 hours ago, SpaceForce Tywin et al. said:

What defense is there really? The paper trail is pretty damning, as were the testimonies of the money people who handled the paper work. The defense’s only hope is to get one juror to waiver and believe Gates lied and therefore they can’t say without a doubt that Manafort is guilty.

Or for a bit of jury nullification from a pro-Trump juror who managed to slip through the selection process.

From what I hear legal experts saying about the trial, the prosecution has been more or less textbook, the defense’s main argument (that Manafort left Gates to take care of handling the money because Manafort was too busy to look after such things) has been shredded by multiple witnesses, (employees telling about how Manafort micromanaged every aspect of the office to death, bookkeepers talking about being ordered to perform shady actions, loan officers talking about highly dubious borrowing, etc.) and in a sane and rational world we’d be sure that Manafort’s hide was pretty much nailed to the wall.

The suspense comes from not knowing exactly how much sanity and rationality there is in this world after the last few years.

[Jace, Extat]

31 minutes ago, Paladin of Ice said:

Or for a bit of jury nullification from a pro-Trump juror who managed to slip through the selection process.

From what I hear legal experts saying about the trial, the prosecution has been more or less textbook, the defense’s main argument (that Manafort left Gates to take care of handling the money because Manafort was too busy to look after such things) has been shredded by multiple witnesses, (employees telling about how Manafort micromanaged every aspect of the office to death, bookkeepers talking about being ordered to perform shady actions, loan officers talking about highly dubious borrowing, etc.) and in a sane and rational world we’d be sure that Manafort’s hide was pretty much nailed to the wall.

The suspense comes from not knowing exactly how much sanity and rationality there is in this world after the last few years.

Spoiler alert: Fucking zero

[Morpheus]

SHS:  “I can tell you the people who work with Trump know that these accusations do not sound like the man we work with everyday. Trump has never been called a racist until now. 

Also SHS: “I cannot promise you from this podium that you will never hear a tape with Trump using racial slurs”

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

This just in:

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/danish-government-hits-back-fox-news-trish-regan-portrays-country-socialist-hellhole/

Doesn't Denmark literally have one of the highest standards of living in the world?

[lokisnow]

3 hours ago, Mexal said:

Yea, that looks to be the move in closing argument. These will happen tomorrow at 9:30am and each side is allocated 2 hours.

Thinking about the pardon, not sure that helps him much. He'd be admitting guilty, forfeiting 5th amendment protection and would still be liable at a state level since all the tax fraud would likely be applicable there too.

Trumps pardon will declare he is pardoning him of all state level offenses too which means to challenge trumps pardon expansion they’ll have to take it up with trumps Supreme Court who will naturally expand the executive power and declare that of course the president can pardon state offense as well, it’s clear as Day in the original text of the constitution, ya know.

states rights advocates cheer and parade in celebration.

trump etc celebrate because now they have had the Supreme Court declare trump can immunize himself and all of them from all their crimes everywhere forever.

democrat leadership roll over show belly and shrug and say, “ nuthin we can do. that is just how the system works so it is okay. Nuthin we can change. Nuthin we want to change. Please donate “ 

[lokisnow]

2 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

That would be huge.  He would need the American military’s personal loyalty guaranteed to hold power perminantely.  He doesn’t have that yet as far as I know.

Of course he does. Because he is a republican. Duh. 

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

THIS IS NOT WHAT I HAD IN MIND WHEN I JOINED SPACE FORCE!!!!!:

 

[James Arryn]

42 minutes ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said:

This just in:

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/danish-government-hits-back-fox-news-trish-regan-portrays-country-socialist-hellhole/

Doesn't Denmark literally have one of the highest standards of living in the world?

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/07/these-countries-have-the-highest-quality-of-life

 

3rd behind Finland and Canada in most recent I could find. US not in top 11.

 

(it goes without saying that Canada apologizes for being better again.)

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

2 minutes ago, lokisnow said:

Trumps pardon will declare he is pardoning him of all state level offenses too which means to challenge trumps pardon expansion they’ll have to take it up with trumps Supreme Court who will naturally expand the executive power and declare that of course the president can pardon state offense as well, it’s clear as Day in the original text of the constitution, ya know.

states rights advocates cheer and parade in celebration.

trump etc celebrate because now they have had the Supreme Court declare trump can immunize himself and all of them from all their crimes everywhere forever.

democrat leadership roll over show belly and shrug and say, “ nuthin we can do. that is just how the system works so it is okay. Nuthin we can change. Nuthin we want to change. Please donate “ 

Roberts, Thomas, Sotomayor, Kagen, and Breyer will not allow that kind of expansion of the pardon power.  I’d put money on it.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

3 minutes ago, lokisnow said:

Of course he does. Because he is a republican. Duh. 

No.  He doesn’t.  Most people in the military take their oath to uphold the Constitution quite seriously.  A President staying in office more than two terms is a clear violation of the Constitution.

[lokisnow]

Roberts and Thomas will categorically do what needs to be done to fulfill their partisan obligations, nothing more nothing less.

partisanship is what matters, not anything else. They will do the duty they were put into power to do—protect republicans, punish democrats.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

2 minutes ago, lokisnow said:

Roberts and Thomas will categorically do what needs to be done to fulfill their partisan obligations, nothing more nothing less.

partisanship is what matters, not anything else. They will do the duty they were put into power to do—protect republicans, punish democrats.

No, they will not.  The ACA exists because Roberts voted in favor of it existing.  How was that a Partisan act?  Thomas goes his own way all the time but he is not in favor of expanding Presidential power beyod what is expressly granted in the Constitution.  I’m confident that Trump would lose this argument before this Court.

[Morpheus]

2 hours ago, Morpheus said:

SHS:  “I can tell you the people who work with Trump know that these accusations do not sound like the man we work with everyday. Trump has never been called a racist until now. 

Also SHS: “I cannot promise you from this podium that you will never hear a tape with Trump using racial slurs”

Oh, yeah, ahe also said the American people “overwhelmingly” voted for Trump. Reality has been  completely rewritten

[Mexal]

1 hour ago, Morpheus said:

Some rumblings that the Manafort defense is seeking a mistrial based on juror misconduct

Haven't seen anything about that.

[Morpheus]

5 minutes ago, Mexal said:

Haven't seen anything about that.

I saw on it  TV, something about that sealed motion from last week. I don’t know how likely it is or of it was just speculation. I saw Manafort’s lawyer on TV afterward simply saying that the prosecution did not meet the standards to convict.

[lokisnow]

God, Dirty Donald is good at nasty nicknames, he calls Betsy DeVos, Ditsy DeVos.

[lokisnow]

8 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

No, they will not.  The ACA exists because Roberts voted in favor of it existing.  How was that a Partisan act?  Thomas goes his own way all the time but he is not in favor of expanding Presidential power beyod what is expressly granted in the Constitution.  I’m confident that Trump would lose this argument before this Court.

Remind me again how thomas voted in bush v gore?

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

12 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

Roberts, Thomas, Sotomayor, Kagen, and Breyer will not allow that kind of expansion of the pardon power.  I’d put money on it.

Where’s the love for the Notorious RBG?

11 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

No.  He doesn’t.  Most people in the military take their oath to uphold the Constitution quite seriously.  A President staying in office more than two terms is a clear violation of the Constitution.

The military as a whole would not. I actually just looked up some polling numbers and Trump does a little better with the military than with civilians, but it has to do with them hating him less, not liking him more. And I’ve talked to my step-brother who is in the Army about this and he dismisses it outright. However, he has said that he wonders if a small faction would break off and try and attempt a coup. He doesn’t think it could be successful, but he hasn’t ruled it out.