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So everyone besides jon and dany get a happy ending even after everything they did!? SERIOUSLY!

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2 minutes ago, TheFirstofHerName said:

If that is true then why would he tell Tormund in Episode 4 that he wished he was going with him and Ghost?  

Because some faceless disguised as tormond tells him that the wildlings want to go north of the Wall. Then another faceless disguised as jon tells him he would want to go with them...

When the reality is that nobody wants to go north of the Wall and besides tormund and ygrette jon doesn t even get along with any other wildling… 

We are talking about rapists, thiefs, cannibals, kidnapers… Why would jon like to be with the wildlings as a whole?

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3 minutes ago, TheFirstofHerName said:

If that is the case then they need to get busy and staff the place because it looks like everyone left and deserted the place. 

We are talking about GOT... They kinda of Forget stuff...

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1 minute ago, divica said:

If he had some porpuse to give meaning to his life I could see it as being a bittersweet ending. Him being exiled into the useless NW or him breaking his vows to leave with the wildlings is awfull.

How can this be worse than what they did to Dany’s character?   At least Jon got to live and go North rather than being executed or spending his life in a southern jail cell.  We don’t even know if he ever took his vows again.

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Jon only started to be attracted to Ygritte because of her softer side, like her singing and her stories.

Jon didn't like that the wildlings were violent and attacked the realm. He couldn't even handle it when they wanted to kill the old man. He betrays them instantly. He exiled Mel for murdering a child.

There's nothing "there" for Jon Snow to love about Dany. I dont believe it. 

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1 minute ago, TheFirstofHerName said:

How can this be worse than what they did to Dany’s character?   At least Jon got to live and go North rather than being executed or spending his life in a southern jail cell.  We don’t even know if he ever took his vows again.

I am not saying it is better. I am saying it is a sad ending for him… 

If you want a happy ending look at sam, bronn, tyrion...

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I'm pretty sure Jon is gonna have the same ending in the books, only on a happier note, not going North with Tormund and Ghost, but with Ghost and a certain wildling princess named Val.

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1 hour ago, Martyn Bull said:

If you think he left with the free people, I think Jon’s ending was quite happy. He’s never wanted the throne or to rule (that’s something we have wanted for him). He finally could go and live a free life where family names don’t matter with his friend and pet. Thought that was a nice ending. If you think he stays in the NW – well that’s a little bitter.  

I interpreted it as him leaving with Tormund and the wildlings, the Nights Watch isn't really needed anymore, the wildlings were allowed south and are at peace with the 7 Kingdoms, the NK and WW are dead, his sentence was symbolic to appease Grey Worm and the Unsullied and he went to live a simple life beyond the wall.

 

Bran as King sucked though, at least one of the best characters in Season 8 survived and got out of crazytown though-the CGI Dragon.

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Honestly, I have always had a hard time seeing a truly happy ending for Jon or Dany in the books. I've always thought one would die ... I was thinking as a heroic sacrifice during the Long Night, but this works too I guess. I keep coming back to the fact that Jon is resurrected and I just don't really see a good end with that. Dany always seemed destined to not get the throne, so I was betting on her for the heroic death (oops).

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6 minutes ago, Sheiraseastar23 said:

I'm pretty sure Jon is gonna have the same ending in the books, only on a happier note, not going North with Tormund and Ghost, but with Ghost and a certain wildling princess named Val.

In the books the wildlings won t go north. They have no reason!

They can do whatever they want in their lands in the gift...

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53 minutes ago, lakin1013 said:

This was my HOPED-FOR ending for Jon, as long at it was his choosing

Yes I agree, it is a sweet ending in itself but turns bitter because it is not voluntarily. Anyway, I hope he finds a life worth living in the North.

46 minutes ago, Vanadis said:

So in Sansa's and Arya's show ending, the troubles they went through does not bother them one bit.

I don't know how you come to that conclusion.

Sansa became tough, hardened, clever, without interest in men or romance. She will be queen and do her duty, but how much fun she will have, we don't know. 

Arya was all for "the pack survives" and it did. But she leaves on her own, seeking new adventures, maybe never seeing the North again.

Both is bittersweet, realistic, believable. 

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7 minutes ago, Bittersweet Distractor said:

Bran as King sucked though, at least one of the best characters in Season 8 survived and got out of crazytown though-the CGI Dragon.

Haha - yeah, Bran as King was the one thing I really didn't see coming, and I still don't see how it adds up. 

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Arya is a cold-blooded murder, who takes pleasure in the cruel and sadistic murder of those SHE DEEMS worthy of such punishment. I see many people trying to justify her action by saying that all of the people she killed deserved it. So much for civility and decency. When someone deserves to die, they should be brutally murdered in the most graphic and painful way possible.

Frey pie. Gouging out Trant's eyes. Casually slitting Littlefinger's throat in a room full of people. 

It is simply revenge porn with no consideration for the psychology of the character. Arya only kills EVIL people. But, who is she to decide? Does she always have the justification? Can't she make a mistake? Her actions are reckless. She never ONCE pays a price for her actions. She just smirks her way through every situation as though she is too bad-ass to be questioned. Arya is a disgusting, mean-spirited, hateful character all through the story. The fact that the conclusion to her story is sailing away without any trace of accountability is sad, lazy, and unfulfilling. 

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9 minutes ago, Jaime the Goldenhand said:

Arya is a cold-blooded murder, who takes pleasure in the cruel and sadistic murder of those SHE DEEMS worthy of such punishment. I see many people trying to justify her action by saying that all of the people she killed deserved it. So much for civility and decency. When someone deserves to die, they should be brutally murdered in the most graphic and painful way possible.

Frey pie. Gouging out Trant's eyes. Casually slitting Littlefinger's throat in a room full of people. 

It is simply revenge porn with no consideration for the psychology of the character. Arya only kills EVIL people. But, who is she to decide? Does she always have the justification? Can't she make a mistake? Her actions are reckless. She never ONCE pays a price for her actions. She just smirks her way through every situation as though she is too bad-ass to be questioned. Arya is a disgusting, mean-spirited, hateful character all through the story. The fact that the conclusion to her story is sailing away without any trace of accountability is sad, lazy, and unfulfilling. 

It kinda seems like you didn't notice anything she did this season. Like the fact that she realized this was a dreadful, hollow way to be and walked away from it.

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2 minutes ago, Forlong the Fat said:

It kinda seems like you didn't notice anything she did this season. Like the fact that she realized this was a dreadful, hollow way to be and walked away from it.

Remember that we are barely talking about a fully fleshed out character. She does turn on a dime and suddenly recognize that killing one more person won't help. HOWEVER, in the very next episode she is violently lashing out at Yara during a political discussion, threatening to cut her throat. WTF was that about? 

 

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25 minutes ago, divica said:

In the books the wildlings won t go north. They have no reason!

They can do whatever they want in their lands in the gift...

I think what you may not be understanding about the freefolk is how they love space and freedom.  They do not want to be confined but free to wander with no restrictions.  They are descended from the First Men ....just like the Starks.  They worship the old gods.  Jon has proven he has no interest in being king or even politics.  He reluctantly took the titles that others urged him to do out of a sense of duty.  This is why Tormund told him he had the REAL NORTH in him and would be happier there. Of course he is sad about having to kill the woman he loved. That is the bitter part.  The sweet part is being reunited with Ghost and Tormund and being free in the North.

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44 minutes ago, Kajjo said:

Yes I agree, it is a sweet ending in itself but turns bitter because it is not voluntarily. Anyway, I hope he finds a life worth living in the North.

I don't know how you come to that conclusion.

Sansa became tough, hardened, clever, without interest in men or romance. She will be queen and do her duty, but how much fun she will have, we don't know. 

Arya was all for "the pack survives" and it did. But she leaves on her own, seeking new adventures, maybe never seeing the North again.

Both is bittersweet, realistic, believable. 

I'm not saying that you are wrong. What you read into the story is logical, and in the tradition of the Game of Thrones-style tale we got in the early seasons, what you say makes perfect sense. 

But, at least to me, the show did not attempt to show it. 

My feeling is that they switched genre at the end. It should be fair to say that there are different sub-genres even within fantasy. At some point the show version of GOT stopped being Martin-style and started being, well, something more standard. The three Stark kids in the last montage reminded me more of heroes from Narnia. At least to me, the flavor of darkness, pain and human complexity to sprinkle the happiness was missing entirely. I feel they did the same thing to Dany, only the other way around, as they turned her suddenly into a generic fantasy villain.
 

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18 minutes ago, Jaime the Goldenhand said:

Remember that we are barely talking about a fully fleshed out character. She does turn on a dime and suddenly recognize that killing one more person won't help. HOWEVER, in the very next episode she is violently lashing out at Yara during a political discussion, threatening to cut her throat. WTF was that about? 

 

That may be what you're talking about, but it isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the show.

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8 minutes ago, TheFirstofHerName said:

I think what you may not be understanding about the freefolk is how they love space and freedom.  They do not want to be confined but free to wander with no restrictions.  They are descended from the First Men ....just like the Starks.  They worship the old gods.  Jon has proven he has no interest in being king or even politics.  He reluctantly took the titles that others urged him to do out of a sense of duty.  This is why Tormund told him he had the REAL NORTH in him and would be happier there. Of course he is sad about having to kill the woman he loved. That is the bitter part.  The sweet part is being reunited with Ghost and Tormund and being free in the North.

They wanted to go south of the Wall for generations. That is what their several kings beyhond the Wall are always trying to do… The reason they hate the NW...

And if they just return north without any change in a couple of years their conflict with the north would begin again… Besides the fact that the wildlings are rapists, kidnapers, murderers, thiefs, savages, cannibals… They just returning north in the midle of winter sounds mildly suicidal and sad. Like even after facing the ww people don t change and war between the wildlings and the north is inevetible...

On the other hand we have wildlings joining the NW, setting in the gift and even marrying a noble northwoman. It all points to their integration in the north… Besides the fact that if 10% to 20% of their numbers surbive they are lucky… No reason to not enjoy life south of the wall

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2 minutes ago, Forlong the Fat said:

That may be what you're talking about, but it isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the show.

This happened in the last episode of the show. She threatens to cut Yara's throat for talking negatively about her family. Remember this is the same person who murdered two people and fed them to their own father. We can enjoy the Arya revenge porn because the men she is murdering have been portrayed as objectively EVIL, therefore, there murder is justified. It's also interesting to remember that the Red Wedding was not completely unjustified. It is tragic because it is a result of Robb's underestimating of the Frey's and his arrogant attempt to undo a slight that couldn't be undone.

Arya never regrets her choices, she never attempts to atone, and she is never psychological affected by her violent actions. She just becomes bad-ass, suffenly decides to not kill Cersei because that would SUDDENLY have some negative effect on her. Somehow, after not even feeding people to their own parents seemed to get to her in the slightest. Give me a break. 

Then she sets sail for more adventures! Hopefully, when she arrives in the new world nobody looks at her the wrong way or she'll gouge their eyes out. 

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4 hours ago, snow is the man said:

Sansa helped tip dany over the edge and caused so much trouble and yet she is made queen of the north and given credit for northern independence?

Not despite, but because.

3 hours ago, AryaNymeriaVisenya said:

Gendry is doomed to become Robert V2

How so? He is still very young, he can find a girl and found a family. He is Lord of Storm's End now and accepted.

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