Euro 2020 in 2021

[Corvinus85]

Bullshit penalty call. The Czechs have been better, but they don't deserve this.

[Soylent Brown]

It's a penalty all day long. It's not an excuse that he's trying to get higher in the air or that he's not sure where the guy is, if you smack someone in the face with your elbow, it's generally a foul. These things don't have to be intentional.

[Corvinus85]

1 minute ago, Bale's Bald Spot said:

It's a penalty all day long. It's not an excuse that he's trying to get higher in the air or that he's not sure where the guy is, if you smack someone in the face with your elbow, it's generally a foul. These things don't have to be intentional.

So I guess if you jump head first in the other player's elbow, you get awarded a penalty. Well ready the face masks.

[Soylent Brown]

Just now, Corvinus85 said:

So I guess if you jump head first in the other player's elbow, you get awarded a penalty. Well ready the face masks.

Perhaps not if it's blatantly obvious that that's what happened, but like I say, elbowing someone in the face is a foul.

It's absolutely bizarre to me that some people think otherwise.

[Corvinus85]

Just now, Bale's Bald Spot said:

Perhaps not if it's blatantly obvious that that's what happened, but like I say, elbowing someone in the face is a foul.

It's absolutely bizarre to me that some people think otherwise.

Well to me it looks more like a face-to-elbow case, and not an elbow-to-face case. Lovren was in the air before Schick, so I'm not sure what he could could have done.

[ljkeane]

25 minutes ago, Bale's Bald Spot said:

 elbowing someone in the face is a foul.

Except, you know, it isn’t. Deliberately elbowing someone in the face is a foul, which Lovren didn’t do, after that it’s a judgment call on the part of the ref as to whether the challenge was careless or reckless.

[Soylent Brown]

17 minutes ago, ljkeane said:

Except, you know, it isn’t. Deliberately elbowing someone in the face is a foul, which Lovren didn’t do, after that it’s a judgment call on the part of the ref as to whether the challenge was careless or reckless.

Deliberately elbowing someone in the face is a red card, accidentally is a foul and a yellow. What's the issue?

[ljkeane]

2 minutes ago, Bale's Bald Spot said:

Deliberately elbowing someone in the face is a red card, accidentally is a foul and a yellow. What's the issue?

The issue is the act of just catching someone in the face isn’t a foul in and of itself. It’s a judgment on the part of the ref on what’s lead up to it that determines whether it’s a foul. Jumping normally for a header shouldn’t be a penalty just because someone ends up with a bloody nose.

[Soylent Brown]

45 minutes ago, Corvinus85 said:

Well to me it looks more like a face-to-elbow case, and not an elbow-to-face case. Lovren was in the air before Schick, so I'm not sure what he could could have done.

Lovren was struggling to get up to the ball a bit - that doesn't mean he's allowed to deploy emergency defensive measures and start flapping his wings violently.

His elbows were above his head ffs.

[Soylent Brown]

2 minutes ago, ljkeane said:

The issue is the act of just catching someone in the face isn’t a foul in and of itself. It’s a judgment on the part of the ref on what’s lead up to it that determines whether it’s a foul. Jumping normally for a header shouldn’t be a penalty just because someone ends up with a bloody nose.

I think part of the issue here is that in the past, before VAR, a lot of these incidents were unclear to the ref and so were left alone. This should be punished as it is dangerous play. We've had years of seeing Shearer et al beat up defenders like this, but that doesn't mean it's okay.

Players should be aware of their surroundings, especially defenders. (Not much chance of that with Dejan though, of course.)

[Rorshach]

To me, what makes it a penalty - rather clearly - is that he has his elbow above his face. 

I'm not sure how everyone else jumps, but even when I was CB a couple of seasons, I never encountered that. Or did it myself. And I know my elbows flail a bit.

[Davrum]

It was 100% a penalty. Maybe even 110%.

When jumping, whether vertically, forward or backward, your arms naturally arc downward as you propel yourself upward. Lovren's elbow being level with - or even above - his head is all you need to see to know his elbow action in that incident was unnatural and entirely intentional.

Any experienced CB expects there to be someone behind them in a situation like that, especially when moving backward as Lovren was. He knew what he was doing.

[Corvinus85]

What is it with so many people missing penalties?

[Consigliere]

Morata fluffing the rebound was even worse than Moreno's penalty miss.

[Soylent Brown]

9 minutes ago, Corvinus85 said:

What is it with so many people missing penalties?

They're all big penalties in a tournament like this, and a lot of players don't have the experience or composure to deal with the pressure well.

[Rorshach]

Morata's so close to being a great striker.

Just a bit of composure lacking. But ... don't seem he'll ever get it.

[Consigliere]

 

[mormont]

Damn. Hopefully we put Armstrong in as a straight swap, rather than bringing Hendry back and putting McTominay into midfield.

[Consigliere]

Dembele has left the French camp due to injury and is out of the tournament. Coman is back so no big loss provided he doesn't get injured too since he's also made out of glass.

[Winterfell is Burning]

Today the mighty warriors of Ukrayna take another step in the road to glory!