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On 1/8/2024 at 9:55 AM, SaffronLady said:

In line with karmic deaths, I hope the Freys get killed by violation of guest rights too.

ESPECIALLY Old Walder Frey.

Okay let us talk about karmic deaths.  Jon murdered his brother crow.  Jon murdered Janos Slynt.  It is karma that Jon in turn was murdered by his brother crows.  Robb broke a sacred oath and got killed for it.  I guess another oath breaking Stark will do the same to Walder.

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53 minutes ago, Here's Looking At You, Kid said:

Okay let us talk about karmic deaths.  Jon murdered his brother crow.  Jon murdered Janos Slynt.  It is karma that Jon in turn was murdered by his brother crows.  Robb broke a sacred oath and got killed for it.  I guess another oath breaking Stark will do the same to Walder.

Oh great you're not a bot. Very well.

I don't expect we're reading the same books based on your posting history though.

Jon did not murder Janos Slynt. John executed Janos Slynt as a traitor to the Watch, much like how you and your people like to stress every time the pink letter stabbing is involved. 

Robb was killed under the roof of his host by his host, and such a breach of guest rights mean now Walder Frey is in the grand wrong. Not to mention, you know, the old wart killed an extra 3,500+ people alongside Robb, including his own mother. Not like you give a fuck about justice and all that, though.

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Breach of guest right, blasphemy ( a wedding is a religious ceremony), treason, regicide, would, by in-universe standards, justify the killing of every man, woman, and child, of House Frey.  Along the destruction of the Twins, and sowing their lands with salt.

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3 hours ago, SeanF said:

Along the destruction of the Twins, and sowing their lands with salt.

Oh come on the castle and the lands did nothing wrong. May as well grant it to Jorah Mormont or Shavepate, if Dany handles the matter personally. If she doesn't, well I don't know, House Mallister?

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On 1/14/2024 at 6:32 PM, SaffronLady said:

Oh come on the castle and the lands did nothing wrong. May as well grant it to Jorah Mormont or Shavepate, if Dany handles the matter personally. If she doesn't, well I don't know, House Mallister?

The Freys should keep their property.  Lame Lothar and his brothers will pay for the family crime (Red Wedding) as Catelyn, Jon, and Robb paid for the crimes of the Starks. 

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58 minutes ago, The Lord of the Crossing said:

The red wedding happened because the Starks broke their oath to Walder.  Oathbreaking is a sin in Westeros.

Yes, of course, oathbreaking is a sin. But then, mass murder in the four digits and breaking guest right are also sins, neither an appropriate response to your descendant marrying your king's uncle. Poor Roslin, got a terrible ancestor.

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1 hour ago, SaffronLady said:

Yes, of course, oathbreaking is a sin. But then, mass murder in the four digits and breaking guest right are also sins, neither an appropriate response to your descendant marrying your king's uncle. Poor Roslin, got a terrible ancestor.

And the Freys are perhaps the least and last persons qualified to talk and complain about Oathbreaking in all of Westeros. 

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Breaking a marriage promise is reprehensible, but it is not a crime against the Gods.

Murdering guests, at a religious ceremony, is not just a crime against those guests, but a terrible offence against the Gods.

That is why the Freys will receive no mercy.  

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On 1/17/2024 at 5:12 AM, SeanF said:

Breaking a marriage promise is reprehensible, but it is not a crime against the Gods.

Murdering guests, at a religious ceremony, is not just a crime against those guests, but a terrible offence against the Gods.

That is why the Freys will receive no mercy.  

Some of the Freys will get punished but most should not. Robb rebelled and threatened to break apart the kingdom. Walder’s brutal takedown of the Starks was a public service to hold Westeros together. History might see it in a more objective view. 

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13 minutes ago, Moiraine Sedai said:

Some of the Freys will get punished but most should not. Robb rebelled and threatened to break apart the kingdom. Walder’s brutal takedown of the Starks was a public service to hold Westeros together. History might see it in a more objective view. 

Sounds like the M.O. of Bloodraven.

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15 minutes ago, Moiraine Sedai said:

Some of the Freys will get punished but most should not. Robb rebelled and threatened to break apart the kingdom. Walder’s brutal takedown of the Starks was a public service to hold Westeros together. History might see it in a more objective view. 

It won't.  What's being overlooked is that the Freys' actions offend the Gods, in a world where 99% think the Gods are as real as members of their own family.

You're making the mistake of thinking that Westeros is as irreligious as a modern Western European society, from which the very idea of blasphemy has disappeared.

And even in a modern Western society, they would be deemed guilty of perfidy, which is a very serious war crime.

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21 minutes ago, Moiraine Sedai said:

a public service to hold Westeros together.

The problem being regional identities survived three hundred years into the Conquest, so holding Westeros together seems really more of a military exploit than anything else. Maybe it is a greater public service to let the Seven Kingdoms go each their own way.

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On 1/26/2024 at 10:13 AM, SeanF said:

It won't.  What's being overlooked is that the Freys' actions offend the Gods, in a world where 99% think the Gods are as real as members of their own family.

You're making the mistake of thinking that Westeros is as irreligious as a modern Western European society, from which the very idea of blasphemy has disappeared.

And even in a modern Western society, they would be deemed guilty of perfidy, which is a very serious war crime.

Robb broke an oath. That is the mitigating factor. He is the son of the man who was executed for treason. 

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