Ser Scot A Ellison Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) So… Ron (who really needs to get his human suit adjusted) Desantis has come out in favor of eliminating the Department of Commerce… home of the National Weather Service. My thought is that this isn’t a particularly… responsible… position for the Governor of Florida… to advocate… https://www.politicususa.com/2023/06/28/ron-desantis-national-weather-service.html Edited June 30, 2023 by Ser Scot A Ellison ants 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorn Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 Not just that, he now opposes birthright citizenship as well. That's a stance which seems positively suicidal for a governor of a state where over 20% of population is foreign-born, but I guess he is going all-in on becoming president, or that he is hoping his primary stances will be conveniently forgotten by the next FL governor election (unfortunately, they probably will be). Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 15 minutes ago, Gorn said: Not just that, he now opposes birthright citizenship as well. That's a stance which seems positively suicidal for a governor of a state where over 20% of population is foreign-born, but I guess he is going all-in on becoming president, or that he is hoping his primary stances will be conveniently forgotten by the next FL governor election (unfortunately, they probably will be). He is term limited as governor, so appealing to Florida voters isn't his primary concern. He could run for Senate I guess. Neither Rubio nor Scott are all that popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 17 minutes ago, Gorn said: Not just that, he now opposes birthright citizenship as well. That's a stance which seems positively suicidal for a governor of a state where over 20% of population is foreign-born, but I guess he is going all-in on becoming president, or that he is hoping his primary stances will be conveniently forgotten by the next FL governor election (unfortunately, they probably will be). No President has the power to end birthright citizenship by Executive Order. Desantis and Trump saying this is purely performative. Embarassingly so. Kalbear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Week Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 37 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: So… Ron (who really needs to get his human suit adjusted) Desantis has come out in favor of eliminating the Department of Commerce… home of the National Weather Service. My thought is that this isn’t a particularly… responsible… position for the Governor of Florida… to advocate… https://www.politicususa.com/2023/06/28/ron-desantis-national-weather-service.html I'm sure the goal is privatization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Week said: I'm sure the goal is privatization. “If you want severe weather warnings make sure your subscription is updated to our ‘platinum’ service”. Edited June 30, 2023 by Ser Scot A Ellison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin et al. Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: “If you want severe weather warnings make sure your subscription is updated to our ‘platinum’ service”. At a time when it's getting harder in FL to find insurance for storms and floods. Seriously, this idiot is actively harming his state in every possible way and would beat pretty much any Democrat in an election if it was held next week. In other news, zero surprises, SCOTUS strikes down the student loan forgiveness plan. Because conservatives hate nice things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martell Spy Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 Supreme Court limits LGBTQ protections in dispute over services for same-sex weddings The high court ruled that a Christian web designer has a right to offer design services for opposite-sex weddings while refusing those services for same-sex weddings. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/30/supreme-court-limits-lgbtq-protections-in-dispute-over-services-for-same-sex-weddings-00104398 Supreme Court strikes down Biden’s student debt relief plan In a 6-3 decision, the court’s conservative majority ruled that Biden’s effort to erase roughly $400 billion of student debt was an illegal use of executive power. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/30/supreme-court-strikes-down-bidens-student-debt-relief-plan-00104409 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Kilmore Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, Martell Spy said: Supreme Court limits LGBTQ protections in dispute over services for same-sex weddings The high court ruled that a Christian web designer has a right to offer design services for opposite-sex weddings while refusing those services for same-sex weddings. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/30/supreme-court-limits-lgbtq-protections-in-dispute-over-services-for-same-sex-weddings-00104398 Supreme Court strikes down Biden’s student debt relief plan In a 6-3 decision, the court’s conservative majority ruled that Biden’s effort to erase roughly $400 billion of student debt was an illegal use of executive power. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/30/supreme-court-strikes-down-bidens-student-debt-relief-plan-00104409 It is such a torturous ruling especially how they attempted to dance around this decision not justifying denying a black person the same services. Martell Spy and Prince of the North 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: So… Ron (who really needs to get his human suit adjusted) Desantis has come out in favor of eliminating the Department of Commerce… home of the National Weather Service. My thought is that this isn’t a particularly… responsible… position for the Governor of Florida… to advocate… https://www.politicususa.com/2023/06/28/ron-desantis-national-weather-service.html I certainly don't want to seem to be defending Ron DeSantis -- but when a right-wing politician advocates "eliminating" a department in the Federal Government, does that really mean that they want to eliminate all of its functions, or just remove it as a separate cabinet department with its own secretary and transfer its functions to other departments? One could certainly get rid of Commerce as a separate department (and even a lot of its other functions) without getting rid of the National Weather Service. I have always thought that conservatives tended to believe that decreasing the number of federal departments with their own cabinet secretaries would be a cost saving measure even if all the functions were retained. (I have no idea whether that's true, just think it's a conservative position.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altherion Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 On the whole, the reversal of the debt cancellation is a very good thing. This was catastrophically bad policy in an inflationary environment: it simply hands out money without any corresponding increase in production. It also hands it out to people who are not the poorest (the vast majority of the latter simply do not go to college). Furthermore, it's unfair to the people who either paid off their loans or worked during college to avoid loans in the first place. Finally, it does absolutely nothing to address the root of the matter (i.e. high tuition) and thus almost guarantees that the clamoring for such actions will continue. The court did a big favor to the country by striking this political handout down. With all of that said though, it's kind of amazing how when rich people and medium-sized corporations are set to lose money thorough their bad choices, the government steps in and completely uninsured bank deposits magically become fully insured because of risk to the system or something of the sort whereas when it's middle class people getting a handout, the meaning of the word "modify" becomes rather limited... ants 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Altherion said: It also hands it out to people who are not the poorest (the vast majority of the latter simply do not go to college). I don't think that's completely true, because as I understand it a very high % of college loan debt is held by poor or lower middle class people who took some college classes (or even trade school classes) but dropped out before getting a degree. They are the ones who most need the debt relief. ants and Martell Spy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 10 minutes ago, Ormond said: I certainly don't want to seem to be defending Ron DeSantis -- but when a right-wing politician advocates "eliminating" a department in the Federal Government, does that really mean that they want to eliminate all of its functions, or just remove it as a separate cabinet department with its own secretary and transfer its functions to other departments? One could certainly get rid of Commerce as a separate department (and even a lot of its other functions) without getting rid of the National Weather Service. I have always thought that conservatives tended to believe that decreasing the number of federal departments with their own cabinet secretaries would be a cost saving measure even if all the functions were retained. (I have no idea whether that's true, just think it's a conservative position.) That is a fair criticism. The article itself says in its headline “Desantis wants to eliminate the National Weather Service”. I made a point to be more… specific… about Desantis’ proposal and possible consequence. But he could eliminate the Commerce Department and move the NWS somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Week Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 42 minutes ago, Martell Spy said: Supreme Court limits LGBTQ protections in dispute over services for same-sex weddings The high court ruled that a Christian web designer has a right to offer design services for opposite-sex weddings while refusing those services for same-sex weddings. To add from the case, a *potential* web design business has the right to refuse working for a *fabricated* gay couple. Prince of the North 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IheartIheartTesla Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 Ah yes, the LGBTQ case brought forth before the Supreme Court where the key document itself may be fake. About par for this Supreme Court. Prince of the North 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) I know I'm going to sound crazy but I think Biden's student debt cancellation was planned to fail. I've read when they were figuring it out last summer that they could have tried to use some legislation from the 70s that gives the Secretary of Education the power to cancel debts, but instead used the emergency COVID powers to do it. Edited June 30, 2023 by Larry of the Lake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin et al. Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 57 minutes ago, Guy Kilmore said: It is such a torturous ruling especially how they attempted to dance around this decision not justifying denying a black person the same services. That's my question. Can someone now bring a case claiming they don't have to provide the same service for an interracial wedding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin et al. Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 50 minutes ago, Ormond said: I certainly don't want to seem to be defending Ron DeSantis -- but when a right-wing politician advocates "eliminating" a department in the Federal Government, does that really mean that they want to eliminate all of its functions, or just remove it as a separate cabinet department with its own secretary and transfer its functions to other departments? Just think about how they approached ACA. They wanted to end it without also having a plan in place. That's pretty much how they would handle most cases like this. Unless they have a clearly articulated plan written down they're also pushing through, the plan is simply to destroy. Do not doubt that because it's what the people who bought and own them want. Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altherion Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 42 minutes ago, Ormond said: I don't think that's completely true, because as I understand it a very high % of college loan debt is held by poor or lower middle class people who took some college classes (or even trade school classes) but dropped out before getting a degree. They are the ones who most need the debt relief. From some quick searching, I don't think this is true (here's a link to a relatively neutral sounding source; most of the sources I found clearly have a side). From their summary: Quote Households in the lowest income quartile owe an estimated 12% of all student loan debt. So there are some poorer households with student loan debt, but most of the debt forgiven would be held by middle class households. The cutoff for the loan forgiveness program that was struck down was an income of $125K for singles or $250K for married couples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 9 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: That's my question. Can someone now bring a case claiming they don't have to provide the same service for an interracial wedding? Well, from the opinion, the answer is "No, because hum hum hmm hm". America: You didn't answer, you just trailed off. SC: Yeah, I guess I did trail off there. Tywin et al. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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