Larry of the Lawn Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, Conflicting Thought said: i think that EVs are kind of a distraction, specially when it comes to cars, like we shouldnt be aming to replace all combustion cars for EV ones, we should be getting cars the fuck out of the streets. I think it's going to depend on the area. If there can be a shift to public transit, obviously that's preferable, but for most of north and South America I'd imagine the short term plan would be to replace most commuter vehicles with EVs. Maybe you can incentivise carpooling but unless there is a reliable, well funded alternative people who have personal vehicles won't give them up. I definitely think that when we're all planning any kind of housing and infrastructure that reducing reliance on personal vehicles and single-family buildings should be high in the priority schedule. For a lot of areas though the damage is already done, so it's incentivise a rural-to-suburban(or urban) exodus, but manage expectations in the short term and make it worthwhile for people (especially solo drivers) to replace their ICE vehicles with EVs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 It's always somebody, something else, never ever him responsible (unless, of course, he's taking credit for/possession of somebody else's achievement). In this case the advertisers' pullback from xsplutter due to it having become a platform of hate, particularly antisemitism. Not his fault -- its the advertisers' fault. Elon Musk Uses a Crude Insult to Slam Advertisers for Pulling Back From X. Although Mr. Musk acknowledged that an extended boycott could bankrupt X, he suggested that the public would blame the brands rather than him for its collapse. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/29/business/dealbook/elon-musk-advertisers-blackmail-iger.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 That's an article from two months ago and was covered upthread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 So? Nothing's changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Shawn Fain Takes On Musk, Trump Over Labor’s Green Future The UAW’s newish president won Detroit auto workers their best deals in decades. Now he’s out to organize Tesla and the rest of the industry’s EV jobs. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-01-24/uaw-president-shawn-fain-battles-elon-musk-over-ev-labor-future? Quote ... Tesla presents an especially alluring and tricky target. It’s the world’s most valuable automaker, the one synonymous with EVs and run by the galaxy’s richest troll. But there’s no boss more determined to avoid ceding control to workers. During the UAW’s last push at Tesla’s California factory, the NLRB ruled that the company repeatedly violated federal law, including by firing an activist named Richard Ortiz, “coercively interrogating” employees and using Musk’s pre-X Twitter account to threaten them. Last year, when Tesla workers in New York handed out Valentine-style cards announcing an organizing campaign with the union Workers United, the company fired dozens of people over the next two days. An NLRB regional director dismissed the union’s claim that the New York firings constituted illegal retaliation. Workers United is appealing the decision. Even when companies do get into scrapes with the NLRB, it tends not to leave a mark. Appeals can drag on for years, and there’s no individual liability for executives or punitive damages for companies found to have broken the law. Ortiz was fired in 2017 and still hasn’t gotten his job back despite a series of rulings in his favor. His case is pending before the Louisiana-based Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, which recently ruled in a different dispute that Tesla has the right to ban UAW T-shirts. Tesla, which didn’t respond to requests for comment for this story, has denied wrongdoing in these cases. Musk’s penchant for immolating money and reputations out of pique just deepens some employees’ hesitancy to cross him. “The more antics he does, the more people get scared,” says one. Some workers are convinced Musk would rather shut down the Fremont, California, plant than recognize a union there. During prior UAW organizing attempts, announced in 2017, the company posted anti-union messages above urinals, such as comparing joining a union to handing a stranger a blank check. Musk has also made hay of the UAW’s corruption scandals and noted that the last time the union represented staff on the Fremont property—then a GM-Toyota venture that made Pontiac Vibes and Toyota Matrixes—it eventually closed. Fain says it’s no surprise the UAW couldn’t get traction at Tesla before, when the union was bogged down by its own scandals, corporate coziness and lousy contracts. Now, he says, “we can beat anybody.” Tesla’s Fremont factory will be a closely watched target. Black workers there have won millions of dollars in total judgments after alleging routine racial harassment and discrimination. The plant has its safety issues, too. Last April an employee was hospitalized with six broken ribs, having been pinned inside a Model Y after Tesla failed to ensure power was cut to a conveyor belt, according to a citation by California’s safety agency that Businessweek obtained through a public records request. (Tesla is appealing the citation.) Musk’s personal pivot to amplifying antisemitic social media bile and hyping Republican presidential also-rans could also dent his credibility with Bay Area staff. .... Look, we will see. But this is the future and I can absolutely see why Fain is doing this. It’s not like the previous half-century of UAW leadership has figured this out. Might as well try something new. And Musk is such a horrid scumbag and so abjectly stupid that targeting Tesla first really might make the most sense, even as Musk wants the Supreme Court to basically overturn the National Labor Relations Act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Am I the only one who is slightly amused at the UAW union president's name sounding just a little bit similar to Sinn Fein? I have to assume his parents knew what they were doing when they named him. Prince of the North 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) My now retired aeronautical engineer brother no longer automatically drops, "If business ran like government we'd be out of business." Guess who taught him to say that bs in the first place? Boeing Faces Tricky Balance Between Safety and Financial Performance The company is under pressure to show regulators and customers that it takes safety seriously and to reassure investors about its financial outlook. Free linkhttps://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/30/business/boeing-safety-financial-performance.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Rk0.sOQH.zXYHB42WjSBA&bgrp=a&smid=url-share And not unrelated -- Tesla pay package that helped make Elon Musk the world’s richest person was unfair, judge rules The ruling by a Delaware court stems from a Tesla shareholder lawsuit over the tech billionaire’s 2018 compensation package https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/01/30/elon-musk-pay-package/ Edited January 30 by Zorral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Australian TV network edits female lawmaker’s photo to be more revealing https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/01/31/australia-lawmaker-edit-georgie-purcell/ Quote .... “Can’t imagine this happening to a male MP. What gives?” Purcell added, using the shorthand for a member of parliament. The original image, in which Purcell wore a white dress, had been edited to show her in a crop top and skirt, with her stomach revealed and with larger breasts. The Nine Network used the altered image as part of a graphic for its evening news bulletin. .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) They are all blaming each other and the other guys whether gummit, parents or the other Big Techs be responsible and do the regulating and monitoring -- everyone except -- ME! https://www.cnn.com/tech/live-news/meta-x-discord-tiktok-snap-chiefs-testimony-senate/h_c428b9cc69840ce043ab78c110fabde3 Accusations, tears and rants: 5 takeaways from today’s tech CEO hearing, starting with the big Zuck tagging the lifetime value of a child's life at $270.00. https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/31/tech/big-tech-executives-senate-hearing-teens/index.html Edited February 1 by Zorral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Where the eff do these dip$hitz get off telling people what they can and can't do, what they should or shouldn't do? O wait -- a woman. We can order her around any time we want because we are guyz, even though she's got a billion dollar$ that they didn't give her. But then, after all, we know she's really Joe Biden, so of course HE of all people should stay out of politics! Fox News to Taylor Swift: ‘Don’t Get Involved in Politics!’ https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/31/business/media/taylor-swift-fox-trump.html Man, the censorship jerkwaddies keep demanding ever more areas of the public space to control for their pov and agendas. BTW, it's her constitutional right -- but of course she's a woman, and women shouldn't be allowed to vote. Or do anything except cater to Their wants, needs and demands. maarsen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martell Spy Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Three cheers for the Delaware judge who stood up to Elon Musk At last: a judgment that injects a dose of sanity into the process of handing out executive rewards https://www.theguardian.com/business/nils-pratley-on-finance/2024/jan/31/three-cheers-for-the-delaware-judge-who-stood-up-to-elon-musk Quote Step two was to ask, given the controlling status, whether the incentive package was fair. Delaware courts can shift the burden of proof when a transaction is approved by a “fully informed” vote of other shareholders, but that’s where Tesla and the defendants started to fall down. The company’s proposal “inaccurately described key directors as independent and misleadingly omitted details about the process”. The judge is surely spot-on about the lack of independence. Ira Ehrenpreis, the lead director negotiating for Tesla, had a 15-year business relationship with Musk. Another member of the working group, Antonio Gracias, had a 20-year one and regularly went on holiday with Musk’s family. A third member was the company’s general counsel, Todd Maron, who was Musk’s former divorce lawyer and “whose admiration for Musk moved him to tears during his deposition”. That set-up just looks too cosy. It was also a reason why McCormick concluded that the process behind the award was “deeply flawed”. In essence, Musk proposed the size and structure of his potential rewards and the compensation committee achieved concessions that weren’t true concessions in the judge’s view. Thus the argument moved on to the fairness of the award in terms of price. The board members argued that they wanted to set Tesla up for transformational growth and that Musk’s continued leadership was essential. McCormick knocked down the “high level” appeal of that argument with a series of commonsense points. First, given Musk’s one-fifth stake, he already had “every incentive” to attempt transformation because a $50bn increase in Tesla’s market value would be worth $10bn to him. Second, he had no plan to leave. Third, the incentive scheme didn’t even require him to devote a set amount of time to Tesla. “Swept up by the rhetoric of ‘all upside’, or perhaps starry eyed by Musk’s superstar appeal, the board never asked the $55.8bn question: was the plan even necessary for Tesla to retain Musk and achieve its goals?” asked the judge. Yes, that’s the nub of it. In being so lavish, the directors short-changed ordinary shareholders. JGP, kissdbyfire and Rippounet 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Richest smartest man on earth just keeps on giving! Tesla recalls nearly all U.S. vehicles over font sizes on warning lights Federal regulators say certain warning lights are too small, increasing the risk of a crash. Tesla is issuing an over-the-air software update for more than 2 million vehicles. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/02/02/tesla-recall-font-sizes/ LongRider and Martell Spy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, Zorral said: Richest smartest man on earth just keeps on giving! Tesla recalls nearly all U.S. vehicles over font sizes on warning lights Federal regulators say certain warning lights are too small, increasing the risk of a crash. Tesla is issuing an over-the-air software update for more than 2 million vehicles. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/02/02/tesla-recall-font-sizes/ It's funny, because at least for me I consider this an absolute win for Tesla and their systems. The regulators found an issue and Tesla is able to fix it without anyone coming in to the shop at all, improving the safety for every single owner of their vehicles at very little cost. This both improves safety and increases the likelihood that recalls will be issued because they're so cheap to do. Compare this to the airbag issue with Toyota that was issued several years ago and thousands of vehicles are still out there at risk, to the point where they're planning on giving citations to owners of the vehicles who haven't fixed them yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) 2 hours ago, Kalbear said: It's funny, because at least for me I consider this an absolute win for Tesla and their systems. The regulators found an issue and Tesla is able to fix it without anyone coming in to the shop at all, improving the safety for every single owner of their vehicles at very little cost. This both improves safety and increases the likelihood that recalls will be issued because they're so cheap to do. How do they fuck that up? How do you run a car company and not understand regulatory compliance and homologation requirements? This is basic shit. Quote Compare this to the airbag issue with Toyota that was issued several years ago and thousands of vehicles are still out there at risk, to the point where they're planning on giving citations to owners of the vehicles who haven't fixed them yet. This is not just Toyota. This is part of the Takata airbag recall that's been ongoing for almost a decade now. This involves probably 2/3rd of all the airbags ever installed since Y2K by any manufacturer. I had a car that was eventually caught up in it. I was supposed to get some money but I never did. Edited February 2 by Deadlines? What Deadlines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITAAAAGH!!! (best mugshot ever btw) Prince of the North and Spockydog 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) FLORIDA! Filled with extremist Israeli communities who abuse others as a matter of course -- and generally pay off the cops. This info comes via people we know in FL who have ben abused themselves by their 'neighbors.' This is true in the city here and upstate too. They have no compunction about saying the laws don't apply to them, and the US isn't their country. As a single example of this sort of thing here, from last month -- https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/10/nyregion/brooklyn-synagogue-secret-tunnel.html https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2024/jan/10/secret-tunnel-in-brooklyn-synagogue-leads-to-brawl-and-arrests-video https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67938683 Edited February 3 by Zorral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 28 minutes ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said: How do they fuck that up? How do you run a car company and not understand regulatory compliance and homologation requirements? This is basic shit. Really easily when it's things like the font size, especially when it's things that you can adjust via software. How was it not found until 12 years later? Regulatory compliance is hard. It is very easy to miss things, especially small things. THat they can fix all of these without having a single car come in is pretty nice. 28 minutes ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said: This is not just Toyota. This is part of the Takata airbag recall that's been ongoing for almost a decade now. This involves probably 2/3rd of all the airbags ever installed since Y2K by any manufacturer. I had a car that was eventually caught up in it. I was supposed to get some money but I never did. I get that, but it started with Toyota - and more to the point, they're at the stage now where they're going to fine the drivers for not fixing this shit. How unfair is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 2 hours ago, Kalbear said: Really easily when it's things like the font size, especially when it's things that you can adjust via software. How was it not found until 12 years later? Good question. Quote Regulatory compliance is hard. It is very easy to miss things, especially small things. THat they can fix all of these without having a single car come in is pretty nice. No. Building cars that people want to buy is hard. Regulatory compliance is easy. The process of homologating a vehicle for a market is understood and the standards are easy to look up and not esoteric at all. Quote I get that, but it started with Toyota - and more to the point, they're at the stage now where they're going to fine the drivers for not fixing this shit. How unfair is that? No. it started with Takata. They built the thing. And it's completely fair. There's a literal grenade at the end of the steering column. Those airbag inflators explode and kill people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 2 hours ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said: No. it started with Takata. They built the thing. And it's completely fair. There's a literal grenade at the end of the steering column. Those airbag inflators explode and kill people. It is not fair to make the drivers that pay the primary penalty for not getting this fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Musk didn't want to have yellow hazard paint on the Tesla factory floors because he thought it looked bad. Regulatory compliance is even tougher when you're actively working against it because you care more about aesthetics than safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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