Kalbear Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Continue! My bet is that he does get kicked out, but only after Dems get concessions on a spending bill. Many-Faced Votary 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 (edited) Well, Summer Lee said she will vote to oust him. "McCarthy voted to sell out our democracy to a mob of armed white supremacists to become Speaker. He then sold his Speakership to help MAGA extremists criminalize abortion, cut Social Security and Medicare, ban Black history, gut workers’ rights and voting rights, and sell out our children’s safety to the gun lobby and corporate polluters. If we didn’t stop him, he would have sold out the entire country to keep his little gig as Speaker of the chaos caucus. Why would I – or any Democrat - vote for a Republican speaker who supports Donald Trump and white supremacists? It’s a NO from me" Edit: as for the thread title. I was still playing around with what to call a US politics thread. I probably would have gone with US Politics: The End of McCarthyism? Not making any judgement on quality of the title (it's a perfectly fine one). Just wanted to point out the road not taken. Edited October 3, 2023 by A Horse Named Stranger Martell Spy and JGP 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted October 3, 2023 Author Share Posted October 3, 2023 Looks like dems aren't going to help at all, at least not publicly: https://www.npr.org/2023/10/03/1203310040/mccarthy-gaetz-speaker-news?utm_medium=JSONFeed&utm_campaign=news&utm_source=press.coop Quote "We are ready, willing and able to work together with our Republican colleagues but it is on them to join us to move the Congress and the country forward," Jeffries told reporters in the Capitol. Jeffries also informed members that he and other party leaders will vote to remove McCarthy if and when a vote comes to the House floor. Mindwalker and Martell Spy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted October 3, 2023 Author Share Posted October 3, 2023 Also, daaaaamn Quote "I think Kevin McCarthy is among the most unprincipled, untrustworthy people I ever have encountered in the entirely of my life, and I think he does damage to this institution and our democracy," Virginia Rep. Abigail Spanberger, a moderate Democrats, told reporters. She pointed out that McCarthy did a television interview on Tuesday saying he didn't need any help from Democrats so she didn't see any reason to help him survive. Apparently they had a 1-minute open mic night to talk about how much each and every member hated McCarthy. That would have been an incredible pay-per-view event, showing once again how Dems are not in touch with their constituents and aren't great at fundraising Zorral and Mindwalker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 (edited) Edited October 3, 2023 by Jaxom 1974 A Horse Named Stranger, LongRider, JGP and 4 others 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireWolfSpirit Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Im not gloating over McCarthy's peril till I understand what would replace him if he is ousted? Prince of the North, Ser Scot A Ellison and Kalbear 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 If you lie down with the dogs you wake up with fleas. I think that's the English language idiom. I feel absolutely free to gloat at McCarthy's demise. He negotiated with the clowns to be the ring master of the GOP circus. You live by the clowns you die by the clowns. McCarthy is a MAGAt endorsed piece of work, he entertained their nonsense like a true believer, so excuse me if I don't buy into this he's better than the alternatives argument. Martell Spy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 What happens when you lie down with horses? But yeah, gloat away. This is high comedy. Democrats shouldn't worry about who is up next if this stunt works. Let everyone see these idiots for who they are. Mindwalker, Fragile Bird, JGP and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted October 3, 2023 Author Share Posted October 3, 2023 22 minutes ago, DireWolfSpirit said: Im not gloating over McCarthy's peril till I understand what would replace him if he is ousted? So this is reasonable, and I'm gonna gloat anyway. The way I see it there are a number of possibilities, and all are reasonably good for democracy. He's replaced by another crappy dude. Which is fine, because you can't be really much worse than McCarthy as far as ineffectiveness. Dems will probably be able to do the same thing to that person that they're doing to McCarthy, which is get almost everything they want in exchange for not blowing everything up He's replaced by a far-right dude, in which case they'll then absolutely own the shutdown of the government and all that entails. And politically at least that's usually real bad. Republicans fail to appoint anyone. I don't know actually how this works, but my suspicion is that the rules require that there exists a house speaker before any other work gets done - which again, politically, is amazing as far as dems are concerned. Now, do these suck short term for the US, for our military folks, for anyone needing any kind of government service, and for the general competence of the US? Yep! It's all bad, etc. But that's no different than what we've had with McCarthy. Mindwalker and Prince of the North 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted October 3, 2023 Author Share Posted October 3, 2023 Apparently the answer is 'yes': Quote At the start of a new Congress, those voting to elect the speaker are representatives-elect, as a speaker must be selected before members are sworn in to office; the House of Representatives cannot organize or take other legislative actions until a speaker is elected.[7] Though hey, there's another awesome possibility - Republicans could elect a speaker of the House that is not, actually, a member of the House! There's nothing in the constitution that requires that. That would be exceedingly weird, but that's Republicans for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindwalker Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Dem absences could save him... for now. Pelosi is stuck in SF sfter Feinstein's funeral, Cori Bush is home with covid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Just now, Mindwalker said: Dem absences could save him... for now. Pelosi is stuck in SF sfter Feinstein's funeral, Cori Bush is home with covid... Nah, unless some Democrats vote present, he is cooked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindwalker Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 (edited) I've literally just opened a bag of potato chips! No popcorn, sadly. As for electing a speaker who isn't a member... Who would Mattie accept? Alex Jones? The former dude with the many indictments? Both lazy af and incompetent, so go ahead, good luck. Edited October 3, 2023 by Mindwalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 JGP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindwalker Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 (edited) Btw, I have no idea what Gaetz' end goal is here. Audition for Florida governor? ETA: #SantosForSpeaker! If I was still on twitter, I'd try to get that trending. Edited October 3, 2023 by Mindwalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Mindwalker said: Btw, I have no idea what Gaetz' end goal is here. Audition for Florida governor? That's the assumption. Also I have not had popcorn in like five years. Really wish I had some right now, soaked in butter with a bit of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Amateur. The only way to proper salten your popcorn is with Kevin's tears. Mr. Chatywin et al. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindwalker Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Stop the count! Big dumps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 (edited) So 7 R's are yes votes. If Dems hold rank Kevin is fucked. ETA: Officially fucked. Curious to see if he resigns. Edited October 3, 2023 by Tywin et al. Mindwalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindwalker Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 And I think their chances of taking back the house will go up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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