IlyaP Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 23 minutes ago, Rippounet said: If there had been more humor in it, I might be indulgent enough to see it as mindless fun. I don't recall much of Tolkien's texts from that era being a laugh riot, but there was a bit of humor, however subdued or daft, sprrad throughout the show. Just tonally different maybe from what you might enjoy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Quote Luckily, we have a specialist who teaches in the area of political ideology, none other than Professor @DMC, who might be able to offer some useful insight into whatever the hell it is that Aerys thinks he (she? they?) is saying. As an instructor, when students say something nonsensical and my only reaction can possibly be negative/ridicule, I will instead pivot/change the subject to move on. Of course, on this board I've frequently taken the rather polar opposite tack. I'll opt for the former in this case... Ser Scot A Ellison and Myrddin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 13 minutes ago, KingAerys_II said: You know very well, use wikipedia Your argument. Means the onus is on you to explain, not @Ser Scot A Ellison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingAerys_II Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 In RoP there are clear elements of the so called cancel culture, so it's just part of the process of twisting things to make them fit to the political ideology supported by the producers and writers , it's American politics , it has nothing to do with Tolkien works . Zorral 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Just now, KingAerys_II said: it's American politics , I don’t recall any Hampton county drainage issues coming up in RoP… IlyaP and Derfel Cadarn 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingAerys_II Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Twisted as the Orcs are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 So Arondir is Bernie Sanders, right? Have I got that down correctly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingAerys_II Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Instead of a fantasy world about Lotr, they created a woke American tale in Middle Earth, a very good job Zorral 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Sure Jan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippounet Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) 43 minutes ago, IlyaP said: I don't recall much of Tolkien's texts from that era being a laugh riot, but there was a bit of humor, however subdued or daft, sprrad throughout the show. Just tonally different maybe from what you might enjoy? I'm not talking about adapting a humor that would or wouldn't be present in Tolkien's texts, but about some levity in the show, that would tell us the writers are aware that they're facing a difficult task. Also, from a practical point of view, these are different media we're talking about. On a screen, deep or tragic moments often require more mundane or light ones, to work through contrast, whereas books somehow create emotions differently. It's been a criticism often thrown at recent works: if you write a succession of "deep/tragic/serious" moments with nothing or too little in-between, you end up killing any sense of the awesome or the tragic. There's something about RoP that tells me the writers focused way too much on the grand/deep/serious/awesome moments, and not enough on how to create the mundane. They seemed to have thought that Tolkien was mostly about awe and wonder, but I don't think this was ever going to work as a project for an entire show. Or perhaps it was turning into something more too ambitious. I can't help but think of how Fellowship started with some very mundane moments (preparing a party in the Shire) and then started building elements all the way to the destruction of Sauron. That worked. The grand moments in the LotR trilogy work so well because of humble beginings. RoP does try to do a bit of that, to be fair, but too little, too late, and too clumsily imho. That's why I feel it takes itself too seriously, and why I won't take it seriously think it fails, even as "fun." Edit: my final point wasn't well made here. Edited February 2 by Rippounet Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) 3 minutes ago, KingAerys_II said: Instead of a fantasy world about Lotr, they created a woke American tale in Middle Earth, a very good job What are these Americanisms you speak of? Edited February 2 by Derfel Cadarn IlyaP and Ser Scot A Ellison 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingAerys_II Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Tolkien took inspiration from Norse mythology , and the tale of German heroes to create his works, "the lord of the rings" is something he took from Norse culture . They considered the author works not fit to their political ideologies , the plot and characters are totally different , everything is different, they wiped out everything in the name of their moral superiority, what is the result ? A failure that costed a lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Just now, KingAerys_II said: Tolkien took inspiration from Norse mythology , and the tale of German heroes to create his works, "the lord of the rings" is something he took from Norse culture . They considered the author works not fit to their political ideologies , the plot and characters are totally different , everything is different, they wiped out everything in the name of their moral superiority, what is the result ? A failure that costed a lot More glittering generalities… please be specific… what in RoP does that? IlyaP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingAerys_II Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 26 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: More glittering generalities… please be specific… what in RoP does that? Everything is different from the books content. English is not my mother tongue btw. No need to waste more time here, RoP is a bad product that has nothing to do with the books and movies too, it's a woke American tale in Middle Earth Zorral 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 4 minutes ago, KingAerys_II said: Everything is different from the books content. English is not my mother tongue btw. No need to waste more time here, RoP is a bad product that has nothing to do with the books and movies too, it's a woke American tale in Middle Earth Still very general. And not everything is different from the books. Book characters are present… book locations are mentioned… IlyaP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 40 minutes ago, KingAerys_II said: Tolkien took inspiration from Norse mythology , and the tale of German heroes to create his works, "the lord of the rings" is something he took from Norse culture . They considered the author works not fit to their political ideologies , the plot and characters are totally different , everything is different, they wiped out everything in the name of their moral superiority, what is the result ? A failure that costed a lot Really though, is it just the casting you are referring to? The 'girl power' aspect of certain characters? Is there anything else you see as a problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 So basically: like the meme, everything Aerys doesn't like is woke, is the takeaway I've had from this so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingAerys_II Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) Celebrimbor is younger than Galadriel, he belongs to the House of Feanor. He is the offspring of Feanor sons, so he should have black hair and grey eyes. Galadriel should be married to Celeborn, she should be mother as well. The search for Sauron has no sense, he searched for Celebrimbor , who was able to create magical objects unlike Sauron who was a corrupted Maiar , the act of creation is something related to Eru Iluvatar , that gifted some Elves with skills that were beyond Valar power. The One Ring Sauron created is just an indestructible object containing the will of Sauron to corrupt and dominate life, that's why he wanted the three rings for the elven kings, he was not able to create them. Finrod died thousands years before the rings. Adar has no sense, dark elves are just elves that never saw the light of the trees. Gandalf landed in the Middle Earth when Celebrimbor already did the rings Edited February 3 by KingAerys_II Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingAerys_II Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 47 minutes ago, IlyaP said: So basically: like the meme, everything Aerys doesn't like is woke, is the takeaway I've had from this so far. Yes I am the problem Zorral 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 4 minutes ago, KingAerys_II said: Yes I am the problem You keep using the term “woke” then refuse to elaborate on what you mean by using it… or why it is appealing to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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