ShadowCat Rivers Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 I guess I skimmed over the part where she cried at Sansa's wedding. I didn't know that she had such a bond with her, or even that she was capable of understanding what was going on around her. I guess it's been a long time since I read the books. I feel so sad for her now :( I don't think she cried for Sansa though, it is noted that after what happened to her she was crying all the time and didn't want to leave her chambers at all. It makes sense, she is afraid of people let alone the crowds of Joffrey's wedding, poor girl... ETA: I have very little to say about Lollys, she suffered through a terrible ordeal, but there just isn't enough characterization to say much about her. She seems mainly to be there for other characters' reactions to her. This is correct, I think. She is among the most innocent definitely, but there is nothing more to say about her as a character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harzoo Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Regarding Lollys's crying at Sansa and Tyrion's wedding, perhaps it was in part because she was "losing" Tyrion (her mother had long tried to set the two of them up). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 She is mentally challenged in a time of no therapy, understanding of the difficulties surrounding said mental challenge and she probably has PTSD from getting gang raped by at least 50 men, possibly twice that amount. She has a whole host of reasons to cry, weddings or no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted May 12, 2014 Author Share Posted May 12, 2014 Of all the people in Westeros, Hodor and Lollys deserve a beautiful farm in the Lands of Always Summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Bron just has to knock her up as many times as needed to get an heir and he and Lollys are set for life. Especially now that the other Stokeworths are dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shierashiera Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I don't think she cried for Sansa though, it is noted that after what happened to her she was crying all the time and didn't want to leave her chambers at all. It makes sense, she is afraid of people let alone the crowds of Joffrey's wedding, poor girl... I agree. I don't think that she was that close to Sansa in order to feel sorry for her. I think that this wasn't the first time that Lollys was present to a wedding, and it is likely that she knows what happens after the bedding, or at least her mother and sister might have explained it to her. Being forced to leave the safety of her room, probably brought back all those horrible memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinjinobrave Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I'm also a huge fan of the theory that Bronn is softening up a bit around Lollys and treats her well.What if he slew that other Stokeworth ninkampoop, his name escapes me, to protect Lollys' claim and her child? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theda Baratheon Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Can't really imagine Bronn hurting her tbh, not because hes a good person, but I dont think hes a monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raksha 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I think we can learn a lot about central characters in light of their reaction to Lolly. Tyrion's cruel and heartless "witty" remarks about her first made me fully understand his flaws. Same applies to Cersei and Shae. Sansa on the other hand, who often is derided as shallow mean girl, treats Lollys with compassion and respect something that Lollys arguably notices - hence her crying at Sansa's wedding. Oh and this is my 666th post. Nice :cool4: I don't know how much respect Sansa has for Lollys; since the Stokeworths are not her social equal; but Sansa does use her usual courtesy with Lollys and stops in her own course to try to help the frightened woman. And she never mocks Lollys even in her thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikkel Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I don't know how much respect Sansa has for Lollys; since the Stokeworths are not her social equal; but Sansa does use her usual courtesy with Lollys and stops in her own course to try to help the frightened woman. And she never mocks Lollys even in her thoughts. Sansa is certainly kinder to her than just about everybody else we see interact with or even hear talking about Lollys. Which is sad really, but shouldn't be that surprising - she has some experience with or at least knowledge of mentally challenged people being treated with respect and given value [in a positive sense!] from Winterfell (Hodor! Yay, I got to use the otherwise slightly obnoxious shoutout in a relevant post and context). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted May 12, 2014 Author Share Posted May 12, 2014 Besides, Sansa was almost raped in that riot and lived the horror herself. Tyrion's fury was all about Cersei and Joffrey. I think his kindness to Sansa is mainly due to his deep hatred towards Cersei and Joffrey, not because of his chivalrous spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jet199 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Cersei is actually the one who has given Bronn the keys to Stokeworth by killing Falyse which really made him Lord Stokeworth. Also as Ser Balman challenged Bronn to single combat and then confessed Cersei's intent to get rid of him no one can say Bronn was just out to take Stokeworth from the start, he was acting defensively. Lollys will have the same claim on Rosby that Falyse claimed she had so she may get those lands as well that now that Cersei has worked Lord Gyles to death and denied his ward the inheritance. Did Ser Balman have any living relatives? If not Lollys could have a claim on his lands. Why would Bronn want to plot against Cersei when he is doing so well under her? He and Lollys can just sit back and accumulate. It would be funny if Lollys became one of the most powerful women in the seven kingdoms just by staying out of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinjinobrave Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 If Lollys and Bronn were to control Rosby and Stokeworth they would be the main force in the Crownlands that's not the capitol. If the Reach alliance ever goes to fudge, they will control whether King's Landing starves or not!I am loving this :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyLittleFinger Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 She has a lot of milk in her dugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frances Bean Corbray Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Can't really imagine Bronn hurting her tbh, not because hes a good person, but I dont think hes a monster. He's also not a moron. Lollys is his meal ticket. Rule #1 of being a sellsword is don't bite the hand that pays you. I'm not going to claim he really cares about her deep down (I think he's too mercenary for that, in general) but he has every self-serving reason in the world to be very invested in taking care of her and treating her well and pursuing her best interests. And, as people have pointed out in this thread, her socio-political stock is actually rising. Bronn has in essence Won The Game Of Thrones and it's all due to her. And he knows that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 He's also not a moron. Lollys is his meal ticket. Rule #1 of being a sellsword is don't bite the hand that pays you. I'm not going to claim he really cares about her deep down (I think he's too mercenary for that, in general) but he has every self-serving reason in the world to be very invested in taking care of her and treating her well and pursuing her best interests. And, as people have pointed out in this thread, her socio-political stock is actually rising. Bronn has in essence Won The Game Of Thrones and it's all due to her. And he knows that. Yes. I can't imagine that Bronn would be a great husband, but I doubt if he would be deliberately cruel to her either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Exactly. The author doesn't either judge her or degrade her. He uses her character to allow the readers an insight into the medieval mind and the individuals that populate Westeros. People who make fun of her are likely to be judged harshly by the reader. Book readers dislike Shae and, to some extent, Tyrion for the way they talk or think about her. It says a lot about Shae that she drives Lollys "like a beast" and says to Tyrion "all they did was fuck her." And, a lot about Tyrion that he thinks her gang-rape was funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sages Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 If Lollys and Bronn were to control Rosby and Stokeworth they would be the main force in the Crownlands that's not the capitol. If the Reach alliance ever goes to fudge, they will control whether King's Landing starves or not! I am loving this :D I want this to happen so bad. I always liked bronn's character following tyrion around everywhere. If Bronn were to control Rosby and stokeworth, that would be soo entertaining. he could cause so much trouble in the crownlands. And correct me if I'm wrong but don't Rosby and stokeworth lie right next to each other? That could make Bronn a great lord by the time tyrion lannister returns. Their lands are untouchd by war, the rosby inheritance seems pretty substantial, and they seem to have a good amount of food as they've been supplying much of the food in kings landing. That could be a pretty useful for an invading army. Coincidentally Tyrion just joined the second sons...... :drool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 I hope Bronn is gentle with her, someone should be after the things she's been through. We don't know much about Lollys but I think it's safe to say she is probably one of the purest and most gentle souls in Westeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinjinobrave Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I want this to happen so bad. I always liked bronn's character following tyrion around everywhere. If Bronn were to control Rosby and stokeworth, that would be soo entertaining. he could cause so much trouble in the crownlands. And correct me if I'm wrong but don't Rosby and stokeworth lie right next to each other? That could make Bronn a great lord by the time tyrion lannister returns. Their lands are untouchd by war, the rosby inheritance seems pretty substantial, and they seem to have a good amount of food as they've been supplying much of the food in kings landing. That could be a pretty useful for an invading army. Coincidentally Tyrion just joined the second sons...... :drool: For a more shameless plug on this shameless plug, see my shameless plug :D http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/109824-bronn-and-lollys-being-a-deciding-factor-in-danys-conquest/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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