Roddy Darwin Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Small question here: So I started reading AFFC(chapter 4) and what's with the POV's titles? I could understand 'The Prophet' because it makes sense that Aeron would call himself like this but the next chapter is 'Captain of the Guards'...why?Maybe it's just me but it's just..weird and I'm not sure why. It's just feels like GRRM decided to start something new here instead of following the old format but I really can't figure a reason here. So if there's someething behind this, please enlighten me because I'm just puzzled(also, don't get me wrong here, I really enjoyed the first chapters and it's GRRM all right, but still, am I the only one who cares about it?) . It is most likely just what the above posters said - a way of insisting on the identity struggle several of our POVs are faced with.If you'll bear with me, though, a pet crackpot of mine is that there is something else there, some secret pattern or something that is meaningful to the plot.I don't think Areo and the Damphair really fit the "identity crisis" type - there's hardly anyone in Planetos or, well, anyone PERIOD that is more straightforward and convinced about who/what they are, imho. Granted, it might not be as true for the Damphair who was born again and whatnot, but Mr Obey-and-Protect, my-Axe-is-my-lady-love? Common.Another thing that I find fascinating but I haven't quite worked out, even looking at it through the prism of my Great Chapter Name Conspiracy crackpot, is that the pattern was broken from the very beginning.Bran.Bran is the only character whose chapters are not titled after his full first name, and that from the very first non-prologue chapter in the books.So, yeah, hardly anybody ever uses his full name, but still, I find it veeeeery odd.(Maybe it could be tied with the other crackpot theory that Coldhands' "your monster, Brandon" is to be read as "I am Brandon. I am your monster." Instead of "I am your monster, mister Brandon" thus making CH some Brandon Stark of ages past.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Small question here: So I started reading AFFC(chapter 4) and what's with the POV's titles? I could understand 'The Prophet' because it makes sense that Aeron would call himself like this but the next chapter is 'Captain of the Guards'...why?Maybe it's just me but it's just..weird and I'm not sure why. It's just feels like GRRM decided to start something new here instead of following the old format but I really can't figure a reason here. So if there's someething behind this, please enlighten me because I'm just puzzled(also, don't get me wrong here, I really enjoyed the first chapters and it's GRRM all right, but still, am I the only one who cares about it?) . Because A Ghost in Winterfell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jô Maltese Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Small question: re-reading Podrick Payne's arc, Tyrion mentions the story behind the coins on the Payne's heraldry. I could not find anything elsewhere on the subject, does someone know the story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roddy Darwin Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Oh yes, but I tried (and slightly missed) to stick with AFfC only. Bad thing to try, yes. I'll amend my post. Barristan? Arstan? another of the ARR-names. Not title-wise, but he is very much the identity-seeker. That's why I put him in (although in parentheses).You forgot good old Griff too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roddy Darwin Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Bleh, double post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 I don't think Areo and the Damphair really fit the "identity crisis" type Yes, Areo makes you wonder. But he reflects on what he is doing. Aeron is indeed in a deep crisis. You are right that everybody around him seems to know he is either the one true prophet of the one true god or a mad old fool gone crazy by deprivation of oxygen and all common sense. He himself is in deep trouble with his role and religion and keeps working hard resolving it in each of his chapters. And in his internal monologue, which actually is some kind of discussion, he is a doubter, which makes him very sympathetic for that: A doubting pope - well done, Aeron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted April 3, 2015 Author Share Posted April 3, 2015 Small question here: So I started reading AFFC(chapter 4) and what's with the POV's titles? I could understand 'The Prophet' because it makes sense that Aeron would call himself like this but the next chapter is 'Captain of the Guards'...why?Maybe it's just me but it's just..weird and I'm not sure why. It's just feels like GRRM decided to start something new here instead of following the old format but I really can't figure a reason here. So if there's someething behind this, please enlighten me because I'm just puzzled(also, don't get me wrong here, I really enjoyed the first chapters and it's GRRM all right, but still, am I the only one who cares about it?) . In 2013 at Boskone, GRRM, when asked why (slight winds of winter chapter title spoiler regarding a character who only becomes a POV in Dance) in Winds, he titles chapters "Barristan", instead of the descriptive form used in DanceHe revealed that there was a method to his madness, but wouldn't reveal more.. I assume that, in this case, there is also a method the other way around, which we might be able to figure out, if only in the future? There should be another SSM about this, IIRC... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted April 3, 2015 Author Share Posted April 3, 2015 Small question: re-reading Podrick Payne's arc, Tyrion mentions the story behind the coins on the Payne's heraldry. I could not find anything elsewhere on the subject, does someone know the story? No, Tyrion does not speak of it further, nor does any other POV.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 He revealed that there was a method to his madness, but wouldn't reveal more.. I assume that, in this case, there is also a method the other way around, which we might be able to figure out, if only in the future? Having read ADwD, too, there's already an answer to that.Two of the arcs in that madness have resolved/been completed already: Most notably... Theon -> goes away for a whole book or two -> Reek -> Prince of Winterfell -> Turncloak -> Ghost in Winterfell -> Theon Iron Captain -> Reaver -> Iron Suitor -> Victarion And so at some time in Winds of Winter Alayne will be Sansa and the girl giving mercy will be Arya again. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jô Maltese Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 No, Tyrion does not speak of it further, nor does any other POV.. Thanks R_T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old the True the Brave Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 A few small questions: 1. Have the Dornish marches ever actually been in control of Dorne?2. What was where King's Landing is before Aegon the Conqeuer? Was it always a city?3. What were the Crownlands? Territory of the Storm Kings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 1. IDK if they were ever fully in control of them but at different times Dorne has controlled more territory than it does now. 2. There was not a city but there were fortresses built there in the past, none lasted though. 3. The Stormlands did at times rule the Crownlands but at the time Aegon landed they belonged to the Iron Isles, as King Harren ruled the Riverlands as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 A few small questions: 1. Have the Dornish marches ever actually been in control of Dorne? 2. What was where King's Landing is before Aegon the Conqeuer? Was it always a city? 3. What were the Crownlands? Territory of the Storm Kings? No, marches are borderlands, they are the borderlands towards Dorne. They are partly in the Stormlands and partly in the Reach. Woodland. Aegon I built a small fort, the "Aegonfort" there, it attracted people, a town was born. The fort and the town grew like wildfire... The Crownlands are no longer part of one of the seven kingdoms, but the domain of the king. They used to be part of the Stormlands long ago, effectively lost to the Iron Islands and Riverlands king. :ninja: 'd ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old the True the Brave Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 3. The crownlands is one of the nine constituent regions of the continent of Westeros. It was never a sovereign nation, instead being contested between the riverlands, stormlands and other regions until Aegon the Conqueror seized control of the area during his War of Conquest and made it his primary foothold on the continent. Since then, the crownlands have been ruled directly by the crown on the Iron Throne, first House Targaryen and, after Robert's Rebellion, House Baratheon. Bastards of noble origin raised in the crownlands are given the surname Waters http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Crownlands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Also, article about crownlands in real history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_land Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbecue Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Hello, I came across the abbreviation FTW on a blog, and I can't figure out what it means. Here is the link. I checked the abbreviation thread, no luck there, any one can help? I am asking my question again. Does FTW have any meaning in the books? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 I am asking my question again. Does FTW have any meaning in the books? For the Watch. Have you read Dance? Jon gets stabbed by his men "For the Watch" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbecue Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Thanks, I didn't remember that detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted April 3, 2015 Author Share Posted April 3, 2015 Is there any way to read the Feast and Dance sample chapters in the format they were originally released in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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