Bluetiger Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Is there any house with shadowcat in sigil? I don't remember any... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Young_Falcon Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 A few questions, not sure if they are exactly small: 1.Which House would have the best claim to takeover the Stormlands if the Baratheons died out?2. Same question, but for Riverlands and House Tully.3. Are the Dornish good soldiers outside of Dorne? (The only thing i saw about them is their shield wall was strong during the first Blackfyre rebellion) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibzit Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 A few questions, not sure if they are exactly small: 1.Which House would have the best claim to takeover the Stormlands if the Baratheons died out?2. Same question, but for Riverlands and House Tully.3. Are the Dornish good soldiers outside of Dorne? (The only thing i saw about them is their shield wall was strong during the first Blackfyre rebellion)1.Estermonts probably2.House Tully allready died out. (kinda)3.The Dornish were the Hammer in the Redgrass field, not the anvil so probably pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted April 6, 2015 Author Share Posted April 6, 2015 1. For the Stormlands, we can't really tell. We don't know where the younger sons of House Baratheon married, or whether they still have descendants left alive. Lyonel Baratheon had a daughter (name unknown), besides Ormund (the father of Steffon, the grandfather of Robert/Stannis/Renly). If Lyonel did not have any other sons besides Ormund, and if Ormund had no other children besides Steffon, the descendants of Lyonels daughter would have a good claim. 2. For House Tully, it would be the children of Catelyn Tully, and next Lysa's son. If we go with the the current Ruling House, House Frey of Riverrun, well, take a look at the Frey family tree. When Emmon's children and grandchildren all die out, he has plenty of siblings to inherit. 3. We mostly saw them fighting in Dorne (First Dornish War, Conquest of Dorne and the subsequent Rebellion). They fought in both the First Blackfyre Rebellion, and Robert's Rebellion, outside of Dorne, and no one is talking about how bad they were. So I'd guess they are quite reasonable, if not very good, fighters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibzit Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 1. For the Stormlands, we can't really tell. We don't know where the younger sons of House Baratheon married, or whether they still have descendants left alive. Lyonel Baratheon had a daughter (name unknown), besides Ormund (the father of Steffon, the grandfather of Robert/Stannis/Renly). If Lyonel did not have any other sons besides Ormund, and if Ormund had no other children besides Steffon, the descendants of Lyonels daughter would have a good claim. 2. For House Tully, it would be the children of Catelyn Tully, and next Lysa's son. If we go with the the current Ruling House, House Frey of Riverrun, well, take a look at the Frey family tree. When Emmon's children and grandchildren all die out, he has plenty of siblings to inherit. 3. We mostly saw them fighting in Dorne (First Dornish War, Conquest of Dorne and the subsequent Rebellion). They fought in both the First Blackfyre Rebellion, and Robert's Rebellion, outside of Dorne, and no one is talking about how bad they were. So I'd guess they are quite reasonable, if not very good, fighters. Isn't Petyr the LP of the Riverlands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 ad 2.: The riverlands under king Tommen Baratheon are ruled neither by the Tullys nor by the Freys but by House Baelish.De-facto it seems to be disputed between the Lannisters, Freys, on on side, the Tullys on the other and the BwB on a third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted April 6, 2015 Author Share Posted April 6, 2015 Isn't Petyr the LP of the Riverlands? Ah, yes. I was thinking Riverrun, not Riverlands. LF doesn't have an heir, so should be die without a child, it will be up to the crown to decide who becomes the head of the Riverlands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 LF doesn't have an heir, so should be die without a child, it will be up to the crown to decide who becomes the head of the Riverlands. Alayne would inherit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted April 6, 2015 Author Share Posted April 6, 2015 Alayne would inherit. If LF dies before revealing who Alayne is.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibzit Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 If LF dies before revealing who Alayne is.. I kinda want this to happen now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Alayne would inherit. I don't think this is a given. She'd have a claim, but you could easily imagine the crown brushing aside the claim of a bastard. Then they could reward it to whoever they wanted. I'm sure there wouldn't be much public support for Littlefinger's bastard daughter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 1. For the Stormlands, we can't really tell. We don't know where the younger sons of House Baratheon married, or whether they still have descendants left alive. Lyonel Baratheon had a daughter (name unknown), besides Ormund (the father of Steffon, the grandfather of Robert/Stannis/Renly). If Lyonel did not have any other sons besides Ormund, and if Ormund had no other children besides Steffon, the descendants of Lyonels daughter would have a good claim. 2. For House Tully, it would be the children of Catelyn Tully, and next Lysa's son. If we go with the the current Ruling House, House Frey of Riverrun, well, take a look at the Frey family tree. When Emmon's children and grandchildren all die out, he has plenty of siblings to inherit. 3. We mostly saw them fighting in Dorne (First Dornish War, Conquest of Dorne and the subsequent Rebellion). They fought in both the First Blackfyre Rebellion, and Robert's Rebellion, outside of Dorne, and no one is talking about how bad they were. So I'd guess they are quite reasonable, if not very good, fighters. I was actually taking a look at House tully's family tree. As it stands now it's Edmure>his kid> Bran > Rickon > Sansa > Arya > SR > Brynden > probably Dany if she weren't disinherited. Her grandmother was Celia Tully. Can't really find any other Tully marriages As to the Stormlands, yeah it's really hard to tell. The Estermonts don't have a claim through the male line, so any claim they had would be pretty far back in line of succession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naseridrl Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 On the map in the World Book there appear to be three towns in Dorne. Plankytown I know of, but what are the other two further west? Are they just towns that have sprung up around Godsgrace and Vaith? Or should those just be castles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatOfThe_Canals Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Why didn't Robert/all Baratheons generally know that they always have black haired offspring.... if a whole line of a house have the same hair and eyes how is that not at least kind of common knowledge? I feel like the incest would be pretty obvious knowing that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Widow of Coldmoat Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 I was actually taking a look at House tully's family tree. As it stands now it's Edmure>his kid> Bran > Rickon > Sansa > Arya > SR > Brynden > probably Dany if she weren't disinherited. Her grandmother was Celia Tully. Can't really find any other Tully marriages No. Jaehaerys II was betrothed to Celia Tully, but he broke the betrothal and married his sister Shaera, who became the mother of Aerys and Rhaella (and thus the grandmother of Daenaerys) Why didn't Robert/all Baratheons generally know that they always have black haired offspring.... if a whole line of a house have the same hair and eyes how is that not at least kind of common knowledge? I feel like the incest would be pretty obvious knowing that Baratheons don't always have black haired offspring, though. It is only supposed to be that the Baratheon black is dominant over the Lannister blond. Princess Rhaenys Targaryen (the Queen Who Never Was) had a Baratheon mother, but she had the Valyrian look, with silver hair streaked with white Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 No. Jaehaerys II was betrothed to Celia Tully, but he broke the betrothal and married his sister Shaera, who became the mother of Aerys and Rhaella (and thus the grandmother of Daenaerys) I literally just went back and reread that. You are absolutely correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Why didn't Robert/all Baratheons generally know that they always have black haired offspring.... if a whole line of a house have the same hair and eyes how is that not at least kind of common knowledge? I feel like the incest would be pretty obvious knowing that"Wait a minute... wait a minute... My son has yellow hair. Oh s@$t! My wife must be f*&/#!g her brother!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordImp Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Who gets Casterly rock after Genna and her childrens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 Who gets Casterly rock after Genna and her childrens? As Tygett and his line (Tyrek) would have come before Genna, if I'm not mistaken, the end of Genna's line would mean the end of Tyros' line, in which case we will go to Jason's line.. so Damon, as the eldest. If he's not alive anymore, it would be Damuon, his son, and Damions children after that. Next, we get Stafford and all his kids, and Staffords siblings after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordImp Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 As Tygett and his line (Tyrek) would have come before Genna, if I'm not mistaken, the end of Genna's line would mean the end of Tyros' line, in which case we will go to Jason's line.. so Damon, as the eldest. If he's not alive anymore, it would be Damuon, his son, and Damions children after that. Next, we get Stafford and all his kids, and Staffords siblings after that.Tyrek comes before Genna yes , but he is presumed dead so i dont think he is in line anymore. But Cleos is dead , does his sons come before Lyonel and Red Walder Frey ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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