TheKitttenGuard Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I thought Bronn and Ty were the only thing that made Dorne watchable. We didn't even get to see Hotah use that shiney axe.More Doran would of helped for me.I liked Myrcella, she was a Princess."You Debutante gives you what you need but I know what you want." is what came to my mind when I heard the line it so can't hate it much. I thought the delivery made it work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donaldys I Trumpagar Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 And what exactly is wrong with that? In no way was it abnormal conversation between two guys.+1. I doubt that the feminists (along with their beta male enablers) will understand this point at all.Men talking amongst themselves about the women they've had, and the women they wish to have, is entirely normal under any and all circumstances. Only in this modern age of Massachusetts Bay prudishness can this possibly be thought of as odd or inappropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idio Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 The entire Dorne plot line in the books was ridiculous, especially the Sand Snakes -- the show had dreck to work with and had to make the best of it.Completely agree. Love GRRM but easily some of his weaker stuff in a phenomenal series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idio Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Dorne has been the one major disappointment for me this season, was really looking forward to it but it's all felt rather pathetic and a poor excuse for a story thread. I'm not saying the books are perfect here but they make Prince Doran seem a lot more calculating and the Sand Snakes sound a lot more capable. The kiss of death really annoyed me actually.I honestly found Doran to be pretty pathetic in the books. I kept waiting for his "grand plan" to show us how inside he was a strategic genius and eventually came to agree with the Sand Snakes that he's actually what he appears to be, a pretty soft dude.That Quentyn plan?? Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idio Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Two 9 year-olds maybe, but two men who are faced with impending doom and the end of the world don't giggle about humpies.You're right there is no time for humanity because everyone is a super swipes robot of duty like Stannis and because you totally played it cool the first time you got laid to be sure. You bring up completing points where can I subscribe to your newsletter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idio Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 My point was that from outside perspective Jaime cares for his children just as much as Robert did, remember we don't have Roberts POV so we can't say that he didn't have caring moments in his mind(when he was sober). We know that he somewhat cared about Edric Storm. Though it is true that Jaime must be careful about that."Somewhat cared"? The guy who forgot to get gifts for the bastard and let his assistants send them pretending Robert cared? Yah a solid dude. He cared only in the most superficial and present moments, he did not truly care about much else besides his hatred of Targers, whoring and drinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idio Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 But is it necessary for the show? At this point in the show? D&D have shown they are bros with the mentality of 15 year old boys. Horny, obnoxious 15 year old boys. Hell, it may as well been them sitting there, riffing. Because that's all this adaptation is...misunderstood sweet boys being rejected by harlots who GET what they deserve....mother figures with limited sexual roles (ew, mom sexual?!!!)...bad ass knights....gay gay gay as seriously gay guys, but it's ok, we approve!....HOT older woman---like that hot Dutch teacher we had with the killer boobs She's a MAN-EATER--less talk MORE BEWB....kick-ASS female knights who aren't complex, F THAT, THEY KICK ASS...LOOK AT THIS WOMAN KICK ASS DAMN SHE KICKS ASS LIKE SHE'S PRACTICALLY A MAN..... They are writing this show as a personal extension of their bro lives...out of the limitations of their bro brains...and making the characters and plot suffer for it with all the crappy dialogue and shitcuts.... Pardon my French.Wow this has been an interesting and slightly disturbing deep dive into your psyche.... I'm at a loss for words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonisHenryTudor Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I would say the post-finale interviews with D&D and Kit about Jon's fate. Completely unbelievable dialogue, almost amateurish lies....;). Ooooo you meant the script..... Hmmm Brienne anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonisHenryTudor Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Wow this has been an interesting and slightly disturbing deep dive into your psyche.... I'm at a loss for words. Yes, someone needs a prozac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 +1. I doubt that the feminists (along with their beta male enablers) will understand this point at all.Men talking amongst themselves about the women they've had, and the women they wish to have, is entirely normal under any and all circumstances. Only in this modern age of Massachusetts Bay prudishness can this possibly be thought of as odd or inappropriate. Why bring feminism into it? It's a perfectly valid criticism, and there is no need to assume those critiquing it are feminists. Also, lol at using it as though it's a bad thing. "Beta male enablers" what the hell? Is feminist, like drug addiction now or something that we need enablers? :rolleyes: It couldn't possibly be that: a) that line feels very forced and clunky and completely mismatched with the rest of the scene. And b) show someone admitting to oathbreaking to their Commander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Freypie Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 And what exactly is wrong with that? In no way was it abnormal conversation between two guys. Vows ? One being Lord Commander and his subordinate announcing him not only that he breaked them (and looking proud of that instead of full of guilt), but plan to do it again, and dishonor the watch when he'll represent it at the Citadel ? Jon obeying Sam instead of the other way around ? Ok like I said in another thread it wasn't to be expected D&D paid any attention to that, as the importance of honor, vows, oaths, etc... in the book is alien to them.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 LOL at the "aaah, the feminists!". I'm not such and I think this whole mess is shit. You don't need to be a feminist to realise the dialogues and characterizations are poor. You only need to have a minimal of common sense and good taste. I write a lot of dialogues for men. Yes, they do talk different to mostly women, specially about sex and girls, but context is everything. The wrong here is not that they are talking about sex. Jon and Sam have talked about sex before in the show and it was ok (the "you didn't know where to put it" was actually funny and sounded as something they both would talk about). The problem is that, what they are telling, is very much this: Jon: SO, you have sex with Gilly?Sam: Yes. Btw, send me to the Citadel.Jon: Ok, my Lo--- I mean, Sam. Hey, they don't allow sex there.Sam: yeah, whatever. I proved, liked, I keep it. It's OOC for both of them. Specially for Sam. Oh my god my mum and I looked at each other and both said ''is this just a porno now?!?!!'' :lol: I dunno how people can't watch this with their mothers. First, I wouldn't make her watch this, I don't hate her :lol: Second... I would turn the tv off as early as the "play with her ass" scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonisHenryTudor Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Vows ? One being Lord Commander and his subordinate announcing him not only that he breaked them but plan to do it again, and dishonor the watch when he'll represent it at the Citadel ? Jon obeying Sam instead of the other way around ? Ok like I said in another thread it wasn't to be expected D&D paid any attention to that, as the importance of honor, vows, oaths, etc... in the book is alien to them.. Yes the NW and their oaths....like running off to mole town..... working with Craster, etc. Their oaths are fine and dandy when they need something to hold over someone's head (i.e. Jon), but otherwise fair game. I am sure there are some individuals there (i.e. Aemon) who held to their oaths, but the NW is a cesspool of swindlers, rapists, and murders. Not exactly societies most "oath-worthy" bunch. The scene was garbage, I give you that. And as Helenexmach said, it was clunky and forced and felt more in tune with American Pie or Interbetweeners...not GoT. But even if that scene was spot on, what is Jon going to do hang the one guy who probably can offer the watch something incredibly useful that the vast majority couldn't? Most of the men in black would be toast against Stannis' weakest link, let alone read a book and learn something from it. NW could possibly be the most hypocritical group aside from the Faith Militant, just not as obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonisHenryTudor Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Why bring feminism into it? It's a perfectly valid criticism, and there is no need to assume those critiquing it are feminists. Also, lol at using it as though it's a bad thing. "Beta male enablers" what the hell? Is feminist, like drug addiction now or something that we need enablers? :rolleyes: It couldn't possibly be that: a) that line feels very forced and clunky and completely mismatched with the rest of the scene. And B) show someone admitting to oathbreaking to their Commander.Feminism isn't the same everywhere. That may be the issue. Not sure why feminism was brought into this, but in some areas there is little distinction between some feminist groups and say the faith militant (ok the real world feminist are not killing people....well that I know of;)). Perhaps the poster lives in one of those areas where they are surrounded by rabid feminists and is slightly defensive? Just a guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Freypie Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Some people live in areas like the 8chan forums, the last bro citadels surrounded by evil harpies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 And what exactly is wrong with that? In no way was it abnormal conversation between two guys.Jon is a leader of an organization which forbids sex and having relationships with women and Sam is his subordinate, for one thing. Yet Sam told him he had sex right in Castle Black and plans to continue with this relationship and Jon was all "Good for you". Feminism isn't the same everywhere. That may be the issue. Not sure why feminism was brought into this, but in some areas there is little distinction between some feminist groups and say the faith militant (ok the real world feminist are not killing people....well that I know of;)). Perhaps the poster lives in one of those areas where they are surrounded by rabid feminists and is slightly defensive? Just a guess.Which are these areas - the imagination of 8channers and Reddit dudebros? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Stoneheart Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Wow this has been an interesting and slightly disturbing deep dive into your psyche.... I'm at a loss for words. I like heavy sarcasm--don't take it too literally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyser1 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Who knows, perhaps Tyene-Bronn can be our Daario-Dany of Season 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R4W13Y Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 The two main point about the whole Jon and Sam scene is 1. it's out of character for both of them for the reasons that have been touched on multiple times in this thread 2. with all the show apologist bitching about how "little time" they have to do everything, you'd think the last scene with the Lord Commander would include something a little more important, wouldn't you? It was completely unnecessary for Jon to know about Sam and Gilly. What does that information do for him? It lets him know Sam broke is vows and intends to keep doing it, which again, is OCC and Jon's reaction was also OCC. That's it. That's the extent of the importance of Sam sharing that information with Jon. And since everyone always whines about "time" on the show, they should spend their time much, much more wisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Fevre Dream Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 The Dornish dialogue was so bad, I've had to alter my member title. :P ETA: Wait, I should be a procurer, crap, I'm almost Batfinger. :lmao: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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