One-eyed Misbehavin Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Since Edmure submitted to Jamie I always assumed Edmure's child would have a good shot when arya needles Wally Frey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the tower of albion Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Wasn't there a Frey who was sympathetic to King Robb? The Freys are banner men to the Tullys the murder of Catelyn and the dishonouring of guests right makes it a matter for the lords of the Riverlands. I don't think kiss and make up will suffice. The Dreadfort will be brought down by mammoths and giants stone by stone for their disgrace. I'm sure the North could be persuaded to lend that strength to dismantling at least one of the twins - a symbolic display that house Frey is diminished and their banners trampled under foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGpanther Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Rolled by the Others on their push South. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Ι don't see why they have to take the Twins away from the Freys. It's not like everyone were involved with the Red Wedding. Why the innocent have to suffer for what some of them did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tucu Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 The Freys are just too tasty to survive winter. Manderley and the Magnar of Skagos love pies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AerionBrightflameII Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Wasn't there a Frey who was sympathetic to King Robb? The Freys are banner men to the Tullys the murder of Catelyn and the dishonouring of guests right makes it a matter for the lords of the Riverlands. I don't think kiss and make up will suffice. The Dreadfort will be brought down by mammoths and giants stone by stone for their disgrace. I'm sure the North could be persuaded to lend that strength to dismantling at least one of the twins - a symbolic display that house Frey is diminished and their banners trampled under foot. Perwyn, Olyvar and Alesander Frey. They were absent from the Red Wedding because the other Freys thought they were to sympathetic to King Robb. Perwyn Frey - is the fifteenth son of Lord Walder Frey. He escorted Catelyn to meet Renly and fought in the Battle of The Fords. After news of Robbs marrige he was taken away from Robb by the other Freys and was Not involved in the Red Wedding. He was in Dance of The Dragons where he was at the Seige of Riverrun against The Blackfish. Daven Lannister tells Jaime Perwyn seems like a decent man. Olyvar Frey - Olyvar Frey is the eighteenth son of Lord Walder Frey. Served loyaly as Robbs Squire and fought with him in The Battle of the Whispering Wood. When the Freys abandon Robb's cause because of Robbs wedding, Olyvar wishes to stay with him, the other Frays force him to return. He does not participate in the Red Wedding and the Freys had to keep him away. Alesander Frey - was a singer and the son of Symond Frey (died in Manderlys Pie), the seventh son of Lord Walder Frey, and Betharios of Braavos. He was not involved in the Red wedding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barty Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Ι don't see why they have to take the Twins away from the Freys. It's not like everyone were involved with the Red Wedding. Why the innocent have to suffer for what some of them did? Because if the North does indeed go on a "Revenge Rampage" I doubt they would care much about fairness. Neither does LS. But more than the Northmen and LS the Freys will kill each other - the civil war between Edwyn and Black Walder Frey was pretty heavily hinted at in AFFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Man Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 1) He's like 18th in line of succession. 2) I could see that scenario in fanfiction. 3) That would probably do more harm to the North than good, since kingsroad is important economically. 4) The king/queen of the seven kingdoms doesn't have absolute power, I don't think that most of the vassals would be pleased to see the lands of prominent lords stripped away, especially since Freys haven't done anything wrong towards Targaryens (who will most likely end up on the iron throne). I think that in the end Freys won't be so numerous but will keep their lands and power. I agree. Very good point. The Red Wedding happened during war, it was a strategic move, and the Starks were rebels. Robb broke an oath. So it's not like one side was completely in the right and one side was completely in the wrong. Plus, the Freys are everywhere, in the Citadel, married to prominent houses, and serving other lords as knights and maesters. They have more influence together than the weakened north. Lady Stoneheart already murdered Walder's sons and grandsons. Just two or three more and I consider the matter settled fairly. Robb was in the wrong to begin with and really cannot be allowed to get away with his transgression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoppy Hour Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Whoever the next king (or queen) is, I think some major houses will lose their lands and titles by the end of ASOIAF. Freys, Boltons and Baratheons are more or less doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AerionBrightflameII Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Breaching Guest right is considered an appalling crime in the south but in The North it is akin with kin slaying. Robb did break his betrothal with the Frey girl but remedied it with an offer of marriage with the heir of Riverrun, which the Freys agreed too. Then broke. Im surprised with a few comments here by people who assume what Robb did was an unheard of breach of honor...it's not exactly uncommon. What the Frey's did was a monstrosity. It has already been mentioned that the Freys are slowly starting to turn on each other and we have seen from ADWD that even the River Lords, The western Lords, The North Lords and every other half decent characters low regard for the Freys. I think it's foreshadowing the fall of House Frey but not the complete annihilation of them. There are just too many like @Holley 4 Barrel said they are everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voramir Glover Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 There must always be a Frey at the Twins... or something like that. Doesn't really matter who is going to win the iron throne, I'm pretty sure that Edmure will again be Lord of Riverrun and the Riverlands at the end of the books. Will he strip the Freys away from all lands and titles? No, propably not. He is married to Roslin and not ALL Frey members were involved in the red wedding. Robb's squire as example. Catelyn remembers a few other Freys who are not at the Twins during the wedding, can't remember their names. So yes, the Freys will hold the Twins. But no one who was involved in the Red Wedding will be the Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoppy Hour Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 There must always be a Frey at the Twins... or something like that. Doesn't really matter who is going to win the iron throne, I'm pretty sure that Edmure will again be Lord of Riverrun and the Riverlands at the end of the books. Will he strip the Freys away from all lands and titles? No, propably not. He is married to Roslin and not ALL Frey members were involved in the red wedding. Robb's squire as example. Catelyn remembers a few other Freys who are not at the Twins during the wedding, can't remember their names. So yes, the Freys will hold the Twins. But no one who was involved in the Red Wedding will be the Lord. We don't even know if they're still alive, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxter Redwyne Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 I think it would be fair if for every one killed lord, heir to house, second son, direwolf, and any other member of noble house from both north and riverlands during red wedding,one frey should be killed. Here is list: King Robb Stark, hit by arrows and stabbed through the heart by Roose Bolton. Lady Catelyn Tully, throat slit by Raymund Frey. Ser Wendel Manderly, takes a crossbow bolt to the mouth. Smalljon Umber, decapitated by Bolton men. Dacey Mormont, axed in the stomach by Ryman Frey. Donnel Locke, felled by crossbow bolts. Owen Norrey, felled by crossbow bolts. Robin Flint, surrounded by Freys and stabbed to death. Lucas Blackwood, killed by Hosteen Frey. Unknown Vance, killed by Black Walder Frey. Ser Raynald Westerling, wounded by a crossbow bolt before jumping into the river in his attempt to free Grey Wind. Grey Wind, hit by several crossbow bolts. And probably more At this point only Aegon, Merrett, Petyr, Ryman, Symond, Jared, Rhaegar and Little Walder were killed, so there are still few spots left. P.S. Freys who died in battle do not count. Aenys too (he died only because he was bungler) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MallisterTheMighty Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Black Walder.....he will ruthlessly make himself heir (by eliminating the ones in front of him in the inheritance) which include his Brother and his 5yr old niece. Then he will turn out all the Freys in the twins and then the riverlands will be swamped with kicked out Freys and thats when we put our feet up, eat some popcorn, and watch as Nymeria's pack and Lady Stoneheart have a fiesta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesedude Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 House Frey of the Crossing is dead. House Frey of Riverun is dead. But most of the "good Freys" (Perwyn, Olyvar and Roslin if you buy her story) should have a claim to Rosby, and that inheritance is still up in the air. Cersei won't be giving it to them, but whoever ends up in power later could. It would put the Freys very close to King's Landing, which could help placate the realm since they'd be looked after more stringently that way. Alesander, though not from the Rosby line, would also be an interesting choice if they kept the Twins - he has a rock-solid alibi of "not even being in the same country when this shit happened". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-L Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I don't think so, imo they are cursed now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitering Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I have this assumption that the Lannisters, Freys, and Boltons will all be done as in gone by the end of the series, and we will be left to wonder whether the gods played a role in their destruction, the moral outrage of the citizenry, or just bad luck to have been around when the next Long Night started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaywolf123 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 What i think will happen to House Frey 1. Vassals will no longer be sworn to the twins 2. Civil war within the house inwitch many will die 3. Maybe reduced to knightly house 4. I think the Twins will still be Frey owned, the Freys have a foot in every camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Storm Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I didn't read every post but a weird tin foil idea just popped into my head skimming this thread as a good punishment for the Freys: The Twins becomes The Sorrows 2.0. Connington somehow infects the Freys with Greyscale and they spend eternity haunting that bridge and the Green Fork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fossoway Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Freys are well connected, by marriage, to almost every region, be it an important or a lesser match. I find it hard for them to be wiped out. There will probably be a bloodshed on succession, but after all dust clears, a handful of Freys will stand. Long live Freys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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