A-Faceless-Woman Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Tell that to barristan blount and the Hound. When Barristan was dismissed, nobody out of KL knew it. It's fair to think that everyone thought Jaime wouldn't have a possibility in leaving the KG. Besides, it was Cersei's decision, Tywin was far to be happy with it. So yeah, thanks to Cersei, KG doesn't mean anything anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Might be. But they have THREE SONS and ONE DAUGHTER, I'm sure they can marry few of them, make the Lannister bite the dust, and have one of their offspring in a good position? Since Joffrey and cie are not even rightful heirs, I'm sure something could have been done. You realize by the time Sansa would of reached them that the Lannisters and Tyrells have already joined forces? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Gimp Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 When Barristan was dismissed, nobody out of KL knew it. Not true. Barristers mentions it in ACOK, and in ASOS Jaime knows he is the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard while is on the road with Brienne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby b's bobby Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Might be. But they have THREE SONS and ONE DAUGHTER, I'm sure they can marry few of them, make the Lannister bite the dust, and have one of their offspring in a good position? Since Joffrey and cie are not even rightful heirs, I'm sure something could have been done. Well you're wrong the only way the Tyrells even end up on the same team as the Starks is if somehow stannis wins and manages to kill both joffrey and Tommen while making robb hostile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasta11 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 No. That is your unsubstantiated opinion. I stated what I wanted on the previous page. Not every action in the books has to be explained with a convoluted theory that has little to no basis in the text. Sometimes grief really does drive a person to do irrational acts they would never do otherwise. I've seen that firsthand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A spoon of knife and fork Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Not enough peeople putting themselves in Rickard's shoes, IMO. At that point in ASOS it was clear that Robb was going to lose the war, which means Rickard's sons sacrificed their lives for nothing. And the woman who released their killer suffered no punishment. What father wouldn't want to make sure the Lannisters at least suffered losses of their own, after everything they had done? As a parent I feel much more anger towards that child murdering asshole than empathy for him. You don't kill other people's kids in "revenge" for your adult children getting themselves killed. Any parent would understand that. Karstark was a disgusting coward and no parent worth the name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shmewdog Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Killing Jaime would do the exact same thing that killing Ned did. Nothing but ensuring continued bloodshed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beric Dondingleberry Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 It was irrationall for him to kill them being that they were just young squires and not having anything to do with the war. If they were lords or knights it would have also been irrational because they are prisoners of the Starks and could have possibly have been ransomed but it would more understandable because they have played more of a role in the war. Also I really respect Robb for executing Karstark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnViserion Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Killing Jaime would do the exact same thing that killing Ned did. Nothing but ensuring continued bloodshed. Not exactly. Rickard would've slept better at night, the Karstarks wouldn't have gone home..and Robb would have won the war :leaving: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz Stark-Targaryen Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Kind of OT, but I think Rickard Karstark probably embodies the old Kings of Winter far more than Robb does. :agree: And I'd be willing to bet anything that his namesake, Rickard Stark, would have been a Winter King in the field. I love Ned, adore him, but he didn't have the wolf blood in him. I'm in the midst of a re-read and a series rewatch. I always leaned a bit toward Rickard's POV, but now, I totally see Rickard Karstark's position. The inner fangirl in me loves Jaime redemption and Jaime/Brienne, but pre-Brienne, he deserve every bit of Karstark justice he could have gotten. Of course, I have the advantage of knowing that Arya is safe, and I believe that LF would've gotten Sansa out before TSHTF if Jaime's head rolled, but from the Karstark position, his king and liege lord badly used him. And it just isn't very Starkish behavior, for the old Kings of Winter would've hung Jaime's guts like garters from the Winterfell godswood. *shuddering a little* *scary* Roose was also paying careful attention to Robb's words and actions throughout the Wot5K. He betrayed Robb when he sensed weakness. Not sure he would have dared otherwise. And his actions toward the Karstarks were just rookie mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeryLittleGravitasIndeed Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Not exactly. Rickard would've slept better at night, the Karstarks wouldn't have gone home..and Robb would have won the war :leaving: Not on its own but if Robb also wouldn't have spurned the Freys... He would have had a decent chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStoneheart Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Not exactly. Rickard would've slept better at night, the Karstarks wouldn't have gone home..and Robb would have won the war :leaving: Wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ice Wolf of Loki Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Not exactly. Rickard would've slept better at night, the Karstarks wouldn't have gone home..and Robb would have won the war :leaving: Yeah right up until Tywin arranged for Harrion's death in custody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tijgy Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 :agree: And I'd be willing to bet anything that his namesake, Rickard Stark, would have been a Winter King in the field. I love Ned, adore him, but he didn't have the wolf blood in him. I'm in the midst of a re-read and a series rewatch. I always leaned a bit toward Rickard's POV, but now, I totally see Rickard Karstark's position. The inner fangirl in me loves Jaime redemption and Jaime/Brienne, but pre-Brienne, he deserve every bit of Karstark justice he could have gotten. Of course, I have the advantage of knowing that Arya is safe, and I believe that LF would've gotten Sansa out before TSHTF if Jaime's head rolled, but from the Karstark position, his king and liege lord badly used him. And it just isn't very Starkish behavior, for the old Kings of Winter would've hung Jaime's guts like garters from the Winterfell godswood. *shuddering a little* *scary* Roose was also paying careful attention to Robb's words and actions throughout the Wot5K. He betrayed Robb when he sensed weakness. Not sure he would have dared otherwise. And his actions toward the Karstarks were just rookie mistakes. I see Karstark's position in the way that he killed the two boys out of grief. I don't see how killing Jaime would be an act of justice. His two sons were killed in battle; Jaime did not murder him. Jaime did indeed commit other crimes: the attempted murder of Bran, incest, ... But no Karstark was a victim of those crimes. So I don't see how it would be justice? Jaime was a prisoner of war, a valuable one. And while Cat should never have released him, it would be totally a mistake to kill him/execute him, in the same way as murdering Ned was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgul-Blade Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 He was very unreasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgul-Blade Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 He was very unreasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vastet Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Thats tv show not book You're thinking of the show. Nothing in this post is true in the books I don't think so. It's true that no mention of such a campaign happened in the books, and that Robb intended to go North to deal with the Ironborn. But the war in the South would have become his concern once more as soon as conditions permitted, and the Rock is the most logical place to strike. Considering how quickly the Bolton's handled the Ironborn invasion, it wouldn't have taken long for Robb to deal with them. How many times more men did he have than Bolton?The Lannisters are not broke in the books. Far from it. GRRM reacted to the show invention about their mines being dry. My mistake, but that's even better. Instead of finding out the Lannisters are broke, Robb has their gold.Robb never had a plan to take Casterly Rock. Probably because it's basically impossible. Robb could never do it. Visenya on dragonback didn't think she could do it. It is likely that its defences have never truly been tested. Who's to say whether or not Robb might have found the supposed secret entrance Lann the clever is said to have used? Most of Tywin's army was committed elsewhere and the castle wouldn't have more than a skeleton defence. Even if the Rock itself wasn't able to be taken, there is Lannisport. Regardless, if Robb had headed that way, Tywin would have retreated immediately with everything he had. He couldn't afford to take any chances. There are all sorts of possible ways to take advantage when you are forcing your opponents hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Eh? I feel Karstark had a good reason to be angry. If Cat was anyone else she'd have diedfor what she'd done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Kind of OT, but I think Rickard Karstark probably embodies the old Kings of Winter far more than Robb does. No way. The Stark House would have died out ages ago if it had been led by complete idiots like Rickard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dwarfs Penny Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 the man is a legend. "Kill me and be cursed. You are no king of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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