TheCasualObserver Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Let's review the Sandsneks plan now that all this new information has come to light. They poison Mycrella on the dock and the ship departs. Two of them follow in a faster ship while Tyene and Ellaria stay behind. A few months later (or weeks, or days or hours, I have no idea how big westeros is) Jaime sends a bird to Dorne explaining that his daughter is dead but does not suspect Doran (removing any reason why he wouldn't simply turn the ship around in the harbor and demand the sandsneks heads) who reacts with shock and gets shanked. Side note: if they they were planning this coup all the time, was the timing of the letter just coincidence or was it a pre-arranged signal? After Jaime sends the letter but before Trystane's ship departs for Dorne (a very tight window of time) the sandsneks (who have managed to beat the other ship back) arm themselves with a spear and whip (to murder a man in the cramped confines of a ship), get in a rowboat, board the Dornish vessel in broad daylight, (suggesting the crew were in on it... and could probably have done the assassination themselves) and kill Trystane. Trystane is armed with a far superior weapon for fighting in a small room, so luckily for the sandsneks he is also functionally retarded and turns his back on someone who picoseconds earlier said they were going to kill him. Also, this scene HAS to take place before Doran's death, but was shown after for shock reasons. Also, if Cersei has her way then Trystane will be killed. If Jaime has his way Trystane will be sent right back to Dorne... and into their hands. Either of these options accomplishes exactly what the Sandsneks want. I guess the Sandsneks (whose sole motivation is taking revenge on those who harm their family) decided that if anyone was going to harm their family it would be them. Well, thank god they published that picture of Jaime's letter or otherwise we might think this plotline was completely idiotic and didn't make any sense! Glad to be proven wrong! #D&Daremadeofgenius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maid So Fair Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Have they specifically said the couple of months was from the WOS? I'd say they're probably just referring to the events of season 5. Argh just when I thought the Dornish travesty couldn't get any more idiotic, Jaime's note to Doran proves me wrong. The more you think about this the less sense of makes. Why didn't he turn his ship around? Why didn't he disembark Trystane somewhere still in Dorne if he was afraid of Cersei's reaction? Why does he swear vengeance the moment he sees her? Why doesn't she - did no o e bother to tellher they have a Martell fallguy on board? Why remove all the conflict from the storyline by omitting Jaime-Trys-Cersei confrontation? Are the Snd Fakes just planning to teleport back or do they think they will blend into the KL crowd in their ridiculous outfits? Why doesn't Faullaria kill Doran before Jaime was sent away and then murder Myrcella/Trystane at her leisure and at least capture if not kill Jaime? Why wait until Dorn finds out - did they honestly think this wasgoing to remain a secret?! Hell, what was even the point of having Doran in the first place if he does nothing? Why have Myrcella escape the first plotto kill her to succumb to the second a few episodes later? If the endgame is to have Dorne go to war to avenge Oberyn, why not just make Doran pissed of about it from the beginning? Sure it's OOC for book!Doran but at least it's a perfectly reasonably sentiment for the ruler of Dorne to be motivated by. What even is logic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolorous Gabe Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 4 hours ago, JonSnow4President said: I don't normally like PJ's videos, but this was gold. Nothing that hasn't really been pointed out here, but love the comedy. Hahahaha "I dunno bro, for all we know it's just House Martell ruling Dorne ... from the city of Dorne" Had me in stitches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 8 minutes ago, Dolorous Gabe said: Hahahaha "I dunno bro, for all we know it's just House Martell ruling Dorne ... from the city of Dorne" Had me in stitches That whole video is quite funny, I had quite a few good laughs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 I have a question regarding the confusing timeline. Either Mr Benioff or Mr Weiss state that Cersei's been through "a rough couple of months" since the WoS. I won't watch any of eps 509 and 510 - possibly ever again - but is there any sort of clue as to how much time passes between the end of 509 and the start of 510? Where/how 510 starts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Cygne Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Spoilers was added to the title, thanks! There are rumors of deaths on various sites, my money is on this list... Riverrun, Battle of the Super Villains (aka Bastards), and a big rumored event in KL in the finale (no rumors of Cleganebowl, but rumors of Cersei burning down the house). Also Arya is surely going to kill Walder Fry (rumors of a certain wolf pack, too). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Damn, just checked on YouTube and Cersei's WoS was 510, not 509. And very near the end... So, Sansa and Theon have been running for a couple of months. Jon's been dead and moved around... for a couple of months. Myrcella, who's not at the Wall, is well into her decomposition process. Khaleesi has been dragged around by the Dothraki for a couple of months. AT LEAST IT WASN'T THAT EASY FOR JORAH AND DAARIO TO FIND THE RING, AFTER ALL THEY'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR IT FOR A COUPLE OF FUCKING MONTHS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 1 hour ago, TheCasualObserver said: Let's review the Sandsneks plan now that all this new information has come to light. They poison Mycrella on the dock and the ship departs. Two of them follow in a faster ship while Tyene and Ellaria stay behind. A few months later (or weeks, or days or hours, I have no idea how big westeros is) It's the same time Theon and Sansa were on the loose, it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 12 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said: I have a question regarding the confusing timeline. Either Mr Benioff or Mr Weiss state that Cersei's been through "a rough couple of months" since the WoS. I won't watch any of eps 509 and 510 - possibly ever again - but is there any sort of clue as to how much time passes between the end of 509 and the start of 510? Where/how 510 starts? Shouldn't her hair be longer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fattest Leech Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 12 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said: I have a question regarding the confusing timeline. Either Mr Benioff or Mr Weiss state that Cersei's been through "a rough couple of months" since the WoS. I won't watch any of eps 509 and 510 - possibly ever again - but is there any sort of clue as to how much time passes between the end of 509 and the start of 510? Where/how 510 starts? I had a short discussion about this with another on the "Doran and Dorne" thread yesterday. Basically, we are supposed to know and believe that each character arc is set to a different time than everyone else's... and it's ok because it will all make sense in the end The more I got in to that conversation, the more questions I started to have. Since I don't care so much about the show, I just left when the other poster admitted at one point that it was confusing. I remembered glancing over some interviews along the way and gave the poster this info, but according to the poster, it was only for Jon's arc because they all run different. "...the director replied, "...the show picks up where it left off last season. That's all I'll say on that subject." http://moviepilot.com/posts/3803432 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Cygne Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 5 hours ago, Mister Stoneheart said: The ridiculousness of keeping time in Weissteroff continues.....surely Myrcella would be a shriveled up prune-faced, nasty looking fetid corpse upon her arrival in King's Landing. I don't think corpse refrigeration was too advanced in the Medieval ages, and surely that boat ride would take longer than the several hours it would take for her pretty face to spoil--yet there are the images of her lying prettily on her slab in King's Landing. Sorry, that is just not realistic. Indeed. More of that cherry picked "realism"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alayne's Shadow. Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 10 minutes ago, Le Cygne said: Indeed. More of that cherry picked "realism"... Like that one time the hounds were after Sansa and Theon and then they just disappeared because lolz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fattest Leech Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 1 hour ago, sweetsunray said: But Trys was still painting eye-stones for Myrcella while sailing back for Dorne? I just saw the pic of the scroll and this same thing popped in to my head??? 1 hour ago, sweetsunray said: The scrap of paper contained the explanation of why Trystane was on a boat? Jaime was sedning Trys back to Dorne on the same boat. And the oh-so-lucky teleporting Sand Snakes knew of this how? They have a Trys-GPS? SERIOUSLY!!! I am not even sure how many people in production are blame for this confusing, shitty storytelling. if GoT or DDC win any awards for this season then we know the process is greased with cash!!! Let me join you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fattest Leech Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 So, does anyone else think we may get an interview with Siddig and the his GoT thoughts now that he is dead onscreen, or do we have to wait until S6 ends??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehandwipes Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 30 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said: Damn, just checked on YouTube and Cersei's WoS was 510, not 509. And very near the end... So, Sansa and Theon have been running for a couple of months. Jon's been dead and moved around... for a couple of months. Myrcella, who's not at the Wall, is well into her decomposition process. Khaleesi has been dragged around by the Dothraki for a couple of months. AT LEAST IT WASN'T THAT EASY FOR JORAH AND DAARIO TO FIND THE RING, AFTER ALL THEY'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR IT FOR A COUPLE OF FUCKING MONTHS. It could be worse, in another thread we figured out that Tyrion spent a minimum of two years locked in that crate handing his feces to Varys through an air hole. The fact that he didn't immediately murder Varys is downright... saintly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrastorsLivingSon Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 3 hours ago, JCRB's Honeypot said: IF YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN YOUR PLOT OUTSIDE OF YOUR STORY, THEN YOU DIDN'T WRITE IT VERY WELL. Can I make this my sig quote? Mwuahahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 5 minutes ago, CrastorsLivingSon said: Can I make this my sig quote? Mwuahahahaha go ahead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Loin Steak Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Faullaria and the Sand Fakes plan to honour and avenge Oberyn (who died in a trial by combat that he volunteered for, while attempting to avenge his sister). Creatively it all makes sense: Step 1: Meet up in the desert to remind each other of who you are by recounting your back stories. Spend a long time burying some guy up to his neck, then kill him. Step 2: Incompetently attempt to assassinate an innocent girl who is arranged to marry Oberyn's nephew. Do this in Doran's gardens, where he and his guards can clearly see what you are doing. Step 3: Having failed miserably and being temporarily imprisoned, randomly decide to cure the mercenary you poisoned. Said mercenary is literally the only person protecting Larry Lannister while in Dorne. Step 4: Play slapsies to pass the time. Step 5: Have Faullaria administer an extremely conspicuous poison kiss, don't worry about Larry Lannister. Step 6: Have said poison take a very short-time to take effect, so you'll know she's dead before the ship she's leaving on gets any distance whatsoever. You have honoured Oberyn's memory by not murdering a little girl in Dorne which he really seemed to take pride in; Dornish waters are of course completely exempt from this. Step 7: Remind Faullaria to take the antidote at the last possible second, once visible brain damage symptoms start to occur (don't worry, her mind is already so broken no-one will notice the difference). Step 8: Dispatch two of the Sand Fakes to infiltrate the ship that left while you all stood around watching. Take weapons that are terrible for fighting in a confined space. Step 9: Wait for Larry Lannister to leave the ship, hope he leaves Trystane onboard. Yes, wait until the ship reaches King's Landing. Step 10: Murder Oberyn's nephew, your cousin. Step 11: Wait for Doran to receive word that Myrcella has been murdered. Kill the messenger because THIS IS PORNE! Note: this should allow the Lannister forces the maximum time possible to ready themselves. Step 12: Stab Doran's only loyal bodyguard. Don't worry he may look huge and apparently trains super hard, but he'll drop like a sack of rocks immediately; he'll die faster than it took to dust a vampire on Buffy. Step 13: Murder Oberyn's cherished brother (preferably after he reminisces about what a great guy he was). Congratulations! You have now wiped out the Martell family, just as Oberyn Martell would've wanted? Step 14: Don't worry about Doran's other guards, they won't bat an eye at his dead brother's paramour and bastard daughter brutally slaughtering their Prince. You may consider replacing these men, on second thought, no definitely keep them. As Doran dies taunt him with how you will/have murdered his son too. Step 15: Having murdered the venerable Martell family (and possessing no army of your own) assume control of Porne - this is unquestionably how the feudal system worked so expect no trouble. The other lords won't be a problem because they don't seem to exist. Step 16: Begin Phase 2, where assuming you didn't just plunge Porne into civil war, you can finally start working towards getting revenge on the Lannisters, probably... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis is the man....nis Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Yeah so quick question Spoiler What is the point of "the North Remembers" when the the only two big houses in the North are gonna join the Botlons for this fight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrastorsLivingSon Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 6 minutes ago, Stannis is the man....nis said: Yeah so quick question Reveal hidden contents What is the point of "the North Remembers" when the the only two big houses in the North are gonna join the Botlons for this fight? Because, you know, "creative reasons." Only reason "The north remembers" was in show, was prolly like: D: Didn't the North, like, do something? D: Oh, you mean, love the Starks? D: Yeah. D: Yeah they did. D: They mad bro? D: Yeah. D: GRRM said, "The north remembers." D: Bet those book freaks would like that. D: Yeah. D: Lets say it! D: COOL! WE used the books! Or something along those lines anyhow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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