[Spoilers] Rant and Rave Without Reprecussions - Season 6, Tally-Ho

[The Fattest Leech]

1 hour ago, kissdbyfire said:

I have a question regarding the confusing timeline. Either Mr Benioff or Mr Weiss state that Cersei's been through "a rough couple of months" since the WoS. I won't watch any of eps 509 and 510 - possibly ever again - but is there any sort of clue as to how much time passes between the end of 509 and the start of 510? Where/how 510 starts?

I have another question to go along with this one from KBF.

How long has it been since the wildlings came through the wall? It couldn't have been that much time to get them all through and then settle them all outside, and far away from, Castle Black?

[Stannis is the man....nis]

2 minutes ago, CrastorsLivingSon said:

Because, you know, "creative reasons."  

Only reason "The north remembers" was in show, was prolly like:

D:  Didn't the North, like,  do something?

D: Oh, you mean, love the Starks?

D: Yeah.

D: Yeah they did.

D: They mad bro?

D: Yeah. 

D: GRRM said, "The north remembers."

D: Bet those book freaks would like that.

D: Yeah.

D: Lets say it!

D: COOL! WE used the books!

Or something along those lines anyhow.

Worst part is

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they have no justification for changing Stannis' arch if no real Northerners join Jon

 

[LazyBazooka]

 

[CrastorsLivingSon]

1 minute ago, Stannis is the man....nis said:

Worst part is

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they have no justification for changing Stannis' arch if no real Northerners join Jon

 

I forget where I read it, (maybe someone can help) but someone at a con asked GRRM about D$D changing Jeyne to Talisa and he replied:  "I guess they think they can write a better character than I did."

I believe that fits here.  

[CrastorsLivingSon]

22 minutes ago, LazyBazooka said:

 

Well said.  Themes are hard,

[Le Cygne]

1 hour ago, Alayne's Shadow. said:

Like that one time the hounds were after Sansa and Theon and then they just disappeared because lolz

The hounds were after Sansa and then they just disappeared...

Sorry, can't hear talk about hounds and Sansa without thinking of how she missed "hounds to bark and growl" because real Sansa misses the Hound... 

[Le Cygne]

47 minutes ago, LazyBazooka said:

 

True...

Needle was Jon Snow's smile... that was about love, the way he saw her, she is missing love.

There was love in the books, not fake insta-bonding with interchangeable units, but genuine connections, missing, and longing, and belonging, moments that were earned... and they toss each and every one aside. 

I feel really sad since that episode because now I know I will never see these things. 

They don't even honor the promise of their own story, we are just supposed to forget everything, like they did. Nothing is just nothing, and that's all the show will ever be. Nothing.

[A Ghost of Someone]

Well, D&D&C got their "Emmy", now they want to rush the story that they have f ed up so bad and get out of dodge and live off of their fame. I think TWOW will be so damn good, it will be humiliating to D&D&C for going "their own way".

[PCK]

They're clearly rushing to the ending now and leaving out as many of the other plots as possible.

[Neds Secret]

2 hours ago, Sir Loin Steak said:

Faullaria and the Sand Fakes plan to honour and avenge Oberyn (who died in a trial by combat that he volunteered for, while attempting to avenge his sister). Creatively it all makes sense:

Step 1: Meet up in the desert to remind each other of who you are by recounting your back stories. Spend a long time burying some guy up to his neck, then kill him.

Step 2: Incompetently attempt to assassinate an innocent girl who is arranged to marry Oberyn's nephew. Do this in Doran's gardens, where he and his guards can clearly see what you are doing.

Step 3: Having failed miserably and being temporarily imprisoned, randomly decide to cure the mercenary you poisoned. Said mercenary is literally the only person protecting Larry Lannister while in Dorne.

Step 4: Play slapsies to pass the time.

Step 5: Have Faullaria administer an extremely conspicuous poison kiss, don't worry about Larry Lannister.

Step 6: Have said poison take a very short-time to take effect, so you'll know she's dead before the ship she's leaving on gets any distance whatsoever. You have honoured Oberyn's memory by not murdering a little girl in Dorne which he really seemed to take pride in; Dornish waters are of course completely exempt from this.

Step 7: Remind Faullaria to take the antidote at the last possible second, once visible brain damage symptoms start to occur (don't worry, her mind is already so broken no-one will notice the difference).

Step 8: Dispatch two of the Sand Fakes to infiltrate the ship that left while you all stood around watching. Take weapons that are terrible for fighting in a confined space.

Step 9: Wait for Larry Lannister to leave the ship, hope he leaves Trystane onboard. Yes, wait until the ship reaches King's Landing.

Step 10: Murder Oberyn's nephew, your cousin.

Step 11: Wait for Doran to receive word that Myrcella has been murdered. Kill the messenger because THIS IS PORNE! Note: this should allow the Lannister forces the maximum time possible to ready themselves.

Step 12: Stab Doran's only loyal bodyguard. Don't worry he may look huge and apparently trains super hard, but he'll drop like a sack of rocks immediately; he'll die faster than it took to dust a vampire on Buffy.

Step 13: Murder Oberyn's cherished brother (preferably after he reminisces about what a great guy he was). Congratulations! You have now wiped out the Martell family, just as Oberyn Martell would've wanted?

Step 14: Don't worry about Doran's other guards, they won't bat an eye at his dead brother's paramour and bastard daughter brutally slaughtering their Prince. You may consider replacing these men, on second thought, no definitely keep them. As Doran dies taunt him with how you will/have murdered his son too.

Step 15: Having murdered the venerable Martell family (and possessing no army of your own) assume control of Porne - this is unquestionably how the feudal system worked so expect no trouble. The other lords won't be a problem because they don't seem to exist.

Step 16: Begin Phase 2, where assuming you didn't just plunge Porne into civil war, you can finally start working towards getting revenge on the Lannisters, probably...

You are really good at this! Bravo, excellent!

[Le Cygne]

7 hours ago, JCRB's Honeypot said:

IF YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN YOUR PLOT OUTSIDE OF YOUR STORY, THEN YOU DIDN'T WRITE IT VERY WELL.

Amen to that...

Just seeing if the wench is paying attention...

[Le Cygne]

This is so good:

 

[Twenty of House Goodmen]

3 hours ago, Stannis is the man....nis said:

Yeah so quick question

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What is the point of "the North Remembers" when the the only two big houses in the North are gonna join the Botlons for this fight?

 

Just a confirmation that 90% of what happens in the Northern storyline at the end of season 5 and onwards should be taken with a grain of salt in regards to how it'll happen in Winds. 

[JonSnow4President]

3 hours ago, Le Cygne said:

True...

Needle was Jon Snow's smile... that was about love, the way he saw her, she is missing love.

There was love in the books, not fake insta-bonding with interchangeable units, but genuine connections, missing, and longing, and belonging, moments that were earned... and they toss each and every one aside. 

I feel really sad since that episode because now I know I will never see these things. 

They don't even honor the promise of their own story, we are just supposed to forget everything, like they did. Nothing is just nothing, and that's all the show will ever be. Nothing.

They totally added in romance though.  Look how much Ramsay loves his Myranda.  Such touching moments.  They'll just never make you happy.

[Stannis is the man....nis]

Honestly of all the things D&D change from the books there is some (Aegon/LSH being cut) I can forgive and as much as I hate it there are some (Cersie is a tiger mom/Stannis is power hungry) things you can read in these books and see how D&D came away with. But how in gods name can anyone who read the books say "needle is about revenge" when George literally says in the book she can't let it go because it reminds her of Jon?!

[Neds Secret]

4 hours ago, LazyBazooka said:

 

Magnificent, if only that little doc could get some mainstream media play then people might get to see why we Ranters are so upset, Why D$D Are screwing us over, it feels like they have had some sort of massive falling out with GRRM and Are trying to destroy his story because to get the gig and after spending time with GRRM he must have thought that they understand AsoiaF, at least a little, so why if they understand it are they completely changing both the plot and the characters? To me it is way past incompetence, it's starting to look malicious!

[JonCon's Red Beard]

1 hour ago, Le Cygne said:

Amen to that...

Just seeing if the wench is paying attention...

Yes, I wash out my eyes and brain with sexy Outlander gifs. Otherwise, I'd be dead.

[teej6]

Another gem from Sophie Turner:

"Her motivation going forward is revenge on all the people that have done her wrong. […] The fact that she has someone behind her now foreshadows the fact that she’s going to start building a group of people who really listen to her for the first time. It’s important that the first one of them is a woman, and that’s her only gateway into making the men listen to her. It definitely foreshadows good things for her." 

D&D should give Fansa also a hit list to recite but of course without  Batfinger on it. I also like her bit about how Brienne is going to be the gateway to making men listen to her. The same Brienne that the likes of Randyl Tarly thought was a disgrace to her father and who deserved a good raping. Oh well, I guess show Brienne is supposed to be Joan of Arc. I hope she doesn't end up burned at the stake. 

[Toth]

8 hours ago, JCRB's Honeypot said:

IF YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN YOUR PLOT OUTSIDE OF YOUR STORY, THEN YOU DIDN'T WRITE IT VERY WELL.

Haha. But you wrote it even worse when the story makes EVEN LESS SENSE due to the explanations you offer. I have seen the same stuff after the new Star Trek movies, where writers Orci and Kurtzman desperately tried to explain away the shitload of plotholes and contrivances they put into the movies and made it even worse with each interview.

If you think you can get away with laziness because you think your audience is stupid, just go forward and say so...

[teej6]

43 minutes ago, Neds Secret said:

Magnificent, if only that little doc could get some mainstream media play then people might get to see why we Ranters are so upset, Why D$D Are screwing us over, it feels like they have had some sort of massive falling out with GRRM and Are trying to destroy his story because to get the gig and after spending time with GRRM he must have thought that they understand AsoiaF, at least a little, so why if they understand it are they completely changing both the plot and the characters? To me it is way past incompetence, it's starting to look malicious!

I don't think it's malicious. The two of them don't have the brains to be malicious. It's a mixture of incompetence and arrogance. They think they know best and the book fans are all rabid crazies. They also have this stupid notion that they are good story tellers. Weiss I believe is a failed novelist. I also think they lost interest along the way and now that they got their fame and glory they want to move on to other projects.