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21 minutes ago, Mister Stoneheart said:

Beric is back, which means LSH is out.  She won't be found next episode because she is mud at this point.

Maisie is also a person who likes to troll.  I wouldn't put any stock in what she says.  At all.

It was Sophie Turner who said it.

Although, if either of them were trolling, that's pretty poor from them

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1 hour ago, SevasTra82 said:

People really need to let go of LSH....there's only 13 episodes left and they are gearing up for the finale.  Besides, even GRRM has said that there would not be a LSH in the show, and it looks like The Hound will be taking her place in the BwB.

This.  Plus, the show has completely changed the goals of the BwB.  With, LSH, they just went around killing Freys. According to their conversation with the Hound, they know about the WW danger and plan to go north.  It would make no sense to bring in LSH just so they can ignore the true danger to waste time killing a bunch of worthless Freys for revenge.

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8 minutes ago, Vuron said:

This.  Plus, the show has completely changed the goals of the BwB.  With, LSH, they just went around killing Freys. According to their conversation with the Hound, they know about the WW danger and plan to go north.  It would make no sense to bring in LSH just so they can ignore the true danger to waste time killing a bunch of worthless Freys for revenge.

Lets not forget that The Hound has officially taken the place of LSH.  Chances are Brienne/Pod will be captured by the BwB (just like in the books), but instead of LSH...they'll have The Hound as the leader and want to hang Brienne (since he has beef with her for almost killing him).

LSH's story has been absorbed into Sandor Clegane.  When they find out that Brienne was on a mission to help Sansa and The North, it'll be enough for the BwB to spare their lives and go North with Brienne in tow.

 

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20 hours ago, Noveson said:

A lot of people probably remember them doing this, but both Sophie Turner and Maisie Williams did two truth's and a lie not too long ago.  Maisie's ended up being pretty boring, but Sophie's!  There's definitely something there, lets assume she told the truth.  Here's what she said. 

  • “Ramsay dies.”
  • “Lady Stoneheart returns.”
  • “Arya checks three people off her list.”

So obviously we know #1 is true.  That leaves either Lady Stoneheart coming back or Arya checking three people off her list.  Now I don't know about you, but the last one seems basically impossible.  From the ones I can recall, Walder Frey, Thoros, and Melisandre are wayyy too spread out for that to happen, don't see how it would be possible in one episode.  Leaving Lady Stoneheart!  Seems unlikely to me because we just saw Beric, but the way they are bringing the BwoB back into it makes me unsure...

The Hound is checked off. When Arya hears about what Melisandre did for Jon... that is two Checked off. When Walder Frey dies, thats three. And i can recall Meryn Trant was on that list too, because he killed Syrio Forel (Or so Arya thinks he did). 

 

Also: Lady Stoneheart will not return. Remember this season what Edmure said: He was in captivity for years. Cats body is a skeleton.  

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Everybody just needs to forget about Lady Stoneheart. As many have said, Cat has been dead for years at this point.

Arya will cross three names off her list. That doesn't mean they die, and if you count The Waif, she's already taken one off. If not, she could cross people off by deciding not to kill them. Or she could kill Walder Frey and then Cersei and The Mountain die in the wildfire blaze in KL (which I think is going to happen).

We'll see. Some folks are gonna die though, that is for damn sure.

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1 hour ago, nickdt said:

The Hound is checked off. When Arya hears about what Melisandre did for Jon... that is two Checked off. When Walder Frey dies, thats three. And i can recall Meryn Trant was on that list too, because he killed Syrio Forel (Or so Arya thinks he did). 

 

Also: Lady Stoneheart will not return. Remember this season what Edmure said: He was in captivity for years. Cats body is a skeleton.  

Arya will take up LS place. I think she will take care of Freys - Lothar Frey, Black Walder and old Walder Frey, thats 3 people off her list. I think thats why Walder was saying to them - you killed off Robb's pregnant wife, you killed off Catelyn Tully, to point them out to viewers as Arya takes revenge.

Also, there were rumors during filming about 

Spoiler

wolf pack near Riverlands. Here is hoping to Nymeria's and Arya's reunion

And then Arya will meet up with BwB/Hound and they will be escorting her North to WF

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3 hours ago, Lord Lyman said:

How about Arya becomes Lady Stoneheart? She need not be dead, and it would fit in with her taking revenge for the murders of her brother and her mother.

The one thing the would debunk any Cat=Lady Stoneheart theory is Edmure's line about being in a cell for years after the Red Wedding. With Beric still around, it would mean that Cat is just bones at the bottom of the river.

There are plenty of ways for the showrunners to get around that if they want.  She could have been raised right after she died without Beric needing to exchange his life for hers.  Mayhap we just don't know about it yet.

So I certainly would not say that’s “the one thing” that would debunk the notion.  It makes all kinds of book assumptions, and the showrunners have shown repeatedly that people who make book assumptions get surprised.  In fact they've even said they do this deliberately.

On the other hand, it does seem a likely indicator.  In any event, we'll know soon enough, so there seems no point in wasting tinfoil now.

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21 hours ago, mcbrigno said:

Arya's list in the show is MUCH shorter than listed above. Remember that in Season 6 Episode 3 during Arya's training, the Waif asks Arya who else is on "Arya Stark's funny little list". Arya replies the following three names and that's it:

Cersei Lannister, Gregor Clegane, and Walder Frey.

As Arya explained, The Hound had been taken off her list. The Waif says "That's a short list. That can't be everyone you want to kill. Are you sure you're not forgetting someone?" to which Arya replies "Which name would you like a girl to speak?" and the scene clearly implies that if there was someone else on Arya's list, it was the Waif.

That being said, I remain in the boat that there's still the chance for Lady Stoneheart because of the unlikelihood of the show killing off all three of those characters in the final episode. That would likely mean that someone would have to kill Walder Frey while Jaime and the Lannister army is there and that both Cersei and Gregor Clegane would have to die or be killed--Cersei could easily be killed by anyone, but it looks like the only way Gregor Clegane is going to be killed is by something drastic, like wildfire. In that case, Cersei would have to go kamikaze with wildfire to kill everyone to escape her fate, and either accidentally or intentionally kill herself as a result. That being said, she would still not likely go through with something like this unless Tommen dies first. I think it's possible for Walder Frey to be killed but not Cersei AND Gregor Clegane, and very unlikely for all three to die in the same episode. Margaery clearly still has some plan for dealing with the Faith, Gregor Clegane can still help Cersei somehow, the wildfire may not be activated this season, Jamie still needs to have a falling out with Cersei and is nowhere near her, and so on and so forth.

I think the best hope for Lady Stoneheart is if Arya's list does not get checked off (proving that statement about LSH as a truth), along with the facts that Brienne and Pod are still traveling through the Riverlands, Jamie is still in the Riverlands, the Freys are appearing again in the finale, and the Brotherhood has been brought back, even with Beric Dondarrion.

We'll see...

I see no reason why those three can't all die in this episode. 

Cerise and The Mountain when the Red Keep goes BOOM from Cersei finally snapping and channeling Aerys KILL THEM ALL Targaryen with her city-wide cache of Wildfire.

Walder is definitely going down at the Twins. At whose hands remain to be seen. 

Seriously, WTF is going down at The Twins?

And yeah, I'd love to see Stoneheart, only if it's Cat. Otherwise, no no no no no.

EDIT: After seeing another article containing financial information regarding the show, I don't believe Cersei will die yet - so perhaps the Waif is #3.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Drayzen said:

The reason LSH will show up is because everyone thinks she's not showing up. This thread...other threads....articles....everyone's writing her off. I've said it before and I'll say it again.

She's coming.

... Sure, right after Cleganebowl.

"Arya Checks 3 people off her list" isn't the same as "Arya kills 3 people". People have dropped off her list before because they die by other causes, therefore, no longer available to kill.

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On June 23, 2016 at 3:14 PM, 14ccKemistk said:

If LS is indeed showing up, she should be a horrible sight indeed, rotting for 3 entire seasons...

 

 

I think they'll just differ from the books on this issue. Instead of refusing to ressurect Catelyn, Thoros agrees. So Lady Stoneheart was brought back within a few days time, just like in the books.

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22 hours ago, Smoke317 said:

What if Sansa becomes Lady Stoneheart?  Littlefinger kills her with the same Valyrian Steele dagger that was used in the attempt to kill Bran after she rebuffs him and backs Jon as King in the North.  He blames it on a Lannister spy and takes the Vale army off to seek revenge. All a lie of course. But he has to escape the North before the truth is figured out.   Beric, the Hound, and the Brotherhood arrive and Beric gives her the kiss of life. Her eyes open.  Cut to credits...  That would be one helluva season ender...  Or better yet you could have Mel give her the kiss of life, feeling guilt for what she did to Shireen...  Thus in a way, maybe Mel's life force or whatever it is enters Sansa and we can still get the "we'll meet again" when Sansa meets with Arya.  Damn this would be really sweet. What you guys think?

Woah woah woah woah woah woah WOAH!

Reading through this thread got me thinking "You know what these guys are right there's no way Arya can mark off 3 people . Walter Frey maybe because he got foreshadowed in the preview but 3? No way?"   And Lady Stoneheart seems really impossible because Beric is alive but what you're saying makes some sense! BwoB did say they're heading North and LF is known to kill his love interests and I don't think the aftermath of that killing will work out as easily as you said I still think it would be possibly and TOTALLY awesome!

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10 hours ago, Drayzen said:

The reason LSH will show up is because everyone thinks she's not showing up. This thread...other threads....articles....everyone's writing her off. I've said it before and I'll say it again.

She's coming.

You give D&D WAY too much credit, imho.

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1 hour ago, Asvpxkvng said:

Woah woah woah woah woah woah WOAH!

Reading through this thread got me thinking "You know what these guys are right there's no way Arya can mark off 3 people . Walter Frey maybe because he got foreshadowed in the preview but 3? No way?"   And Lady Stoneheart seems really impossible because Beric is alive but what you're saying makes some sense! BwoB did say they're heading North and LF is known to kill his love interests and I don't think the aftermath of that killing will work out as easily as you said I still think it would be possibly and TOTALLY awesome!

Man I sure miss LSD.

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