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Bond 25: No Time To Die

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15 hours ago, Heartofice said:

I see nothing wrong in James Bond being a ‘Male wish fulfilment’ figure, doesn’t seem to be a problem when it’s a woman. Yeah I prefer my Bonds to be cool, good looking and suave, I like them to have a bevvy of beautiful women hanging off their arms and for Bond to be actually seductive towards them. I have zero problem with that. And sure Bond is flawed, likes a drink and a gamble, but I don’t want him flawed to the point of pity like in most of the Craig movies. Bond is the guy every woman wants and every man wants to be, and that’s great!

Um... yeah. You missed the 'hopelessly outdated' bit, which was rather the point, but I think the rest of your answer explains why you missed that - you don't think this is hopelessly outdated, because you like it.

15 hours ago, Heartofice said:

The character of Bond is what makes these movies stand out, any old movie can do actions scenes, fun locations and silly baddies, but you have to get the character of Bond right for it to really work. As you say there have been many different versions and some were much better than others.

Yeah, but you're unable to tell me what the character of Bond actually is beyond 'flawed' and 'gets the babes'. 

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14 minutes ago, mormont said:

 

Um... yeah. You missed the 'hopelessly outdated' bit, which was rather the point, but I think the rest of your answer explains why you missed that - you don't think this is hopelessly outdated, because you like it.

No I actually don't so thats where we won't be agreeing any time soon.

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49 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

Must have used the Bond name generator for that one. Wonder if the new movie will be any more inspiring 

I have faith in Cary Fukunaga. 

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7 minutes ago, Nictarion said:

I have faith in Cary Fukunaga. 

I’m a big fan of his but having a great director doesn’t always mean much.

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I just edited the first post for the main title... wow, that was from 2016.  I had forgotten how long ago it was.  So many changes over these three years. 

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Saw a teaser during football tonight saying we will get a trailer on Wednesday.

Thats my 10th wedding anniversary... guessing my wife won’t see that nearly as awesome a gift as I do.  :dunno: 

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On 12/1/2019 at 7:21 PM, Rhom said:

Saw a teaser during football tonight saying we will get a trailer on Wednesday.

Thats my 10th wedding anniversary... guessing my wife won’t see that nearly as awesome a gift as I do.  :dunno: 

Normally I'd be excited but I'm 1) still disappointed in Spectre and 2) not sure Craig's story should be continued given the culmination of his character arc.

I'll probably still see it though.

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8 hours ago, WarGalley said:

Normally I'd be excited but I'm 1) still disappointed in Spectre and 2) not sure Craig's story should be continued given the culmination of his character arc.

I'll probably still see it though.

Both of those are valid.  Its my issue with the continuing story of the Craig Bond.  They made the essential reboot an essential part of his story, had one direct sequel... and then all of a sudden he's old and beaten down and has mementos from the previous twenty movies.  :dunno:  And worse than that, they go back and retcon everything and make it all one plot when that wasn't the case to begin with.

I feel like whatever direction they go with this one, the next Bond needs to lean into the tradition of one off adventures with small nods to previous films.

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6 hours ago, Rhom said:

Both of those are valid.  Its my issue with the continuing story of the Craig Bond.  They made the essential reboot an essential part of his story, had one direct sequel... and then all of a sudden he's old and beaten down and has mementos from the previous twenty movies.  :dunno:  And worse than that, they go back and retcon everything and make it all one plot when that wasn't the case to begin with.

I feel like whatever direction they go with this one, the next Bond needs to lean into the tradition of one off adventures with small nods to previous films.

With Lea Seydoux returning i don’t think this approach is too likely. Her character sticking around almost necessitates a “continuation” film rather than a one off adventure

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2 minutes ago, HelenaExMachina said:

With Lea Seydoux returning i don’t think this approach is too likely. Her character sticking around almost necessitates a “continuation” film rather than a one off adventure

I figure this one will be a continuation... but I don't have very high hopes for Ms. Seydoux's character having a "they lived happily ever after" moment.  I think she's more likely to go the way of Tracy Draco.

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Yeah my first thought was that they were going to kill her off and replace her with Ana de Armas as the love interest in typical Bond movie fashion. But that just seems too obvious..

 

Edit: I do find it interesting that Pheobe Waller-Bridge co-wrote the screenplay.

Edited by WarGalley

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Sold me the second I saw that wonderful car. Then seeing the machine guns come out ar the end had me clapping.

Remi Malik going full evil should be a delight as well.

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Just watched the trailer. And indeed, it had the now obligatory young, sassy female upstaging and probably being set up to replace the longstanding, veteran hero.

Did they learn nothing from the Star Wars fiasco?
 

Think I’ll give this one a skip - but then, Bond has been way too flawed and emotionally vulnerable since Craig took over anyway. Time for him to die indeed.

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Could be fun, but then the past few Bonds would suggest it won’t be. The stories all just blur into one now, so why do they keep trying to tell some sort of long form narrative?
Bond has ceased to be an interesting character anyway,  I’m not even sure how you would define him now? Grouchy and out of date? That’s pretty much all they keep saying in these movies. 
 

The highlight was machine gun headlights.. the low light was someone actually said ‘stay in your lane’

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There's at least three women in major roles in this manly man's movie here so stands to reason HoI doesn't like the look of it.


I'm unconvinced by Blofeld being in it being how terrible he was in the last one but hopefully it's mostly a bit part, other than that it looks fun.

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Since it is a a Daniel Craig Bond film they don’t have much choice other than to continue with the theme of Bond being old and out of touch and grasping after somebody to love.

Trailer looks fine, a lot more interesting than the Black Widow one.  I have no problem with Bond being upstaged or even replaced by a female agent but the sassiness and the bickering between them is tiring.  It’s lazy writing.  Hopefully that’s just a trailer thing though.

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