Castel Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 30 minutes ago, DanteGabriel said: Let me first say that no one should be giving Melania Trump any shit about nude modeling 20 years ago. It's straight-up slut-shaming and I've said as much to friends and acquaintances who've posted such things. I wouldn't even try to attack Trump for any perceived hypocrisy with his newfound objections to porn, because there are literally thousands of better things to attack him for. I will limit myself to hoping that the false prophets in the religious right, who have soiled themselves by allying with a thrice married casino mogul who lies, cheats, and brags about it, are squirming and exquisitely uncomfortable looking their own hoodwinked devotees in the eye. This is actually one of the times I wished my view wasn't so restricted to my usual tribal grounds. I would have loved to watch the reaction among more religiously oriented Republican voters in real-time. It's been a bit of a non-scandal from where I'm sitting really. Can't say I feel that bad if they do react badly, given who we're talking about. On the other hand...can one punch themselves out months away from the race? Maybe we should have spaced out Melania and Donald scandals into bite-sized pieces over weeks. Honestly, just entertainment-wise a full order of 10 episodes seems wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NestorMakhnosLovechild Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 6 minutes ago, mormont said: I'm certainly not interested in any further discussion of it. My response and my argument are clear. It doesn't appear that you understood them, which is a shame, but not something I'm inclined to take further. Your argument is certainly not clear at all. To the extent I'm actually able to glean what the argument is, it's also wrong. I do, however, understand why you wouldn't want to discuss it further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NestorMakhnosLovechild Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 9 minutes ago, IamMe90 said: I'm pleased with the story insofar as it signals that key figures related to the GOP are defecting from supporting Trump, and how that may relate to his overall chances in the general election, but I definitely wasn't pleased to read that she'd be actively fundraising for her. It's not only bad optics, but clearly a lot of people (such as myself) have legitimate grievances about the extent that the uber wealthy are involved in politics. It seems that some people here are actually happy that HRC is receiving the boost in funding, yet I have to wonder how they feel about the extent to which the Koch brothers are involved in political fundraising. Right - I think that's a reasonable position. There's obviously some tension there, but the tension is between the giddy elation one feels at watching the Republican establishment tear itself apart over Trump vs. the distaste some people feel about the involvement of big money in politics. I don't agree, as Swordfish seems to think, that there's some grand contradiction here. But I appreciate the tension, because I myself can't help but enjoy the former as I cringe at the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordfish Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 40 minutes ago, TrackerNeil said: I think someone needs a hug. DanteGabriel, hug Swordfish, please. No such thing as too many hugs.... get over here, Dante, ya big lug...... 22 minutes ago, IamMe90 said: I'm pleased with the story insofar as it signals that key figures related to the GOP are defecting from supporting Trump, and how that may relate to his overall chances in the general election, but I definitely wasn't pleased to read that she'd be actively fundraising for her. It's not only bad optics, but clearly a lot of people (such as myself) have legitimate grievances about the extent that the uber wealthy are involved in politics. It seems that some people here are actually happy that HRC is receiving the boost in funding, yet I have to wonder how they feel about the extent to which the Koch brothers are involved in political fundraising. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 1 hour ago, Maithanet said: I feel like there are three levels of non-support for Trump that we are seeing from Republicans: 1. Refuse to endorse him. 2. Refuse to endorse and say you will not vote for him. 3. Say you will vote for Clinton to stop Trump. There are a fair few republicans who are in the first category. Senators Sasse and Flake are in the second category, but they have also said people shouldn't vote for Hillary. This week we saw the first Congressional Republicans actually say they will vote for Clinton to prevent a Trump presidency. That is actually a pretty big deal. This! There's a rather large distinction between not supporting Trump and saying you will vote for Clinton. The latter takes real political courage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 12 minutes ago, TrackerNeil said: I think someone needs a hug. DanteGabriel, hug Swordfish, please. C'mere Swordy, I've got the love you need. As long as TN joins in too. As to how it's somehow bad for Democrats that billionaires prefer their candidate -- well, as Elizabeth Warren just pointed out, nuclear war is bad for business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokisnow Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Today has a batch of polling news that makes it possibly the best day of polling democrats have had in this election cycle. Mcginty up. Hassan up. New Hampshire up. pennslyvania up. Florida up. Michigan up. Obama at 54% approval. All this on top of that fox news poll yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 1 hour ago, Castel said: On the other hand...can one punch themselves out months away from the race? Maybe we should have spaced out Melania and Donald scandals into bite-sized pieces over weeks. Honestly, just entertainment-wise a full order of 10 episodes seems wise. I get your concern, but I think this assumes that there will be some extended period of time when Trump will actually manage to control his sphincters. There is every indication that he's going to keep shooting himself and his party in the foot for the next ninety-something days. He is a 70 year old toddler. He won't wise up any time soon. I suppose outrage fatigue is a risk, and nobody will have the energy left to bat an eye when he instructs his Cossack henchmen on loan from Putin to take the skin from Ted Cruz's face so he can wear it to the Mar-a-Lago Masque Ball at Halloween, but I think that's a fairly minor risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 NPR just had a report where at the intervention trump dropping out is a real possibility. Reasoning is that trump is not just hurting GOP, him losing and being humiliated will hurt his brand and his children. They have until the 5th before NC locks in their ballot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerenthaClone Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 13 minutes ago, Kalbear said: NPR just had a report where at the intervention trump dropping out is a real possibility. Reasoning is that trump is not just hurting GOP, him losing and being humiliated will hurt his brand and his children. They have until the 5th before NC locks in their ballot. Quick, someone tweet at him about how he'd lose all support and credibility if he ran from someone as weak as Hillary Clinton. His brand would never recover if he bent to political pressure from someone as wimpy as Paul Ryan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Just now, MerenthaClone said: Quick, someone tweet at him about how he'd lose all support and credibility if he ran from someone as weak as Hillary Clinton. His brand would never recover if he bent to political pressure from someone as wimpy as Paul Ryan! Okay, we get from one side of people's mouths talk about how dangerous it would be to elect Trump (I agree) then from the other side how they don't want him to drop out??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frog Eater Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 2 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: Okay, we get from one side of people's mouths talk about how dangerous it would be to elect Trump (I agree) then from the other side how they don't want him to drop out??? They dont want him to drop out because he wont beat Hillary Clinton. If the GOP put someone like Paul Ryan on the ticket, he might beat Hillary Clinton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Just now, Frog Eater said: They dont want him to drop out because he wont beat Hillary Clinton. If the GOP put someone like Paul Ryan on the ticket, he might beat Hillary Clinton. Oh, I get the rational, I simply find it very duplicitous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 58 minutes ago, lokisnow said: Today has a batch of polling news that makes it possibly the best day of polling democrats have had in this election cycle. Mcginty up. Hassan up. New Hampshire up. pennslyvania up. Florida up. Michigan up. Obama at 54% approval. All this on top of that fox news poll yesterday. I was listening to a break down of the recent batch of polling. Apparently rich suburban areas are starting to break for Clinton which is exactly what she needed. Also, Democratic Party unity is currently much higher than Republican Party unity, so that's another big plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 I'd have thought that, in the unlikely event that Trump drops out (and I'd be happy if he did), then Pence is surely the next in line? That way, Trump gets to brag that he handpicked the President as a salve. And Pence would appear to be a viable alternative: he speaks well, at least. (Hey, it's a low bar he has to clear.) I also think any candidate is going to have a harder time as the emergency replacement nominee for Trump than they'd have had as the nominee, so I think Clinton would still be in with a strong chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 16 minutes ago, Frog Eater said: They dont want him to drop out because he wont beat Hillary Clinton. If the GOP put someone like Paul Ryan on the ticket, he might beat Hillary Clinton. If Trump drops out the Republicans are toast no matter who they replace him with. The party would be too fractured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frog Eater Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 1 minute ago, Tywin et al. said: If Trump drops out the Republicans are toast no matter who they replace him with. The party would be too fractured. Oh, I agree, but I would much rather see an election and debate on issues, rather than what crazy shit Donald Trump did today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannistician Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 3 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: If Trump drops out the Republicans are toast no matter who they replace him with. The party would be too fractured. Agreed. Trump supporters would be furious and a large percentage would likely not support Ryan, Pence, or whomever they put on the ticket. It would hurt them for the foreseeable future as well because Republican primary voters would feel like the party does not care what they think or who they wanted to represent the party. But the Republicans did this to themselves years ago, so they have nobody to blame but themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 5 minutes ago, mormont said: I'd have thought that, in the unlikely event that Trump drops out (and I'd be happy if he did), then Pence is surely the next in line? That way, Trump gets to brag that he handpicked the President as a salve. And Pence would appear to be a viable alternative: he speaks well, at least. (Hey, it's a low bar he has to clear.) I also think any candidate is going to have a harder time as the emergency replacement nominee for Trump than they'd have had as the nominee, so I think Clinton would still be in with a strong chance. I'm reading this and have to laugh that I'm nodding my head. It's true, Pence is just sort of a run-of-the-mill Republican, though probably hates women and LGBT folk a bit more than the average conservative. This is what Trump's done. Before Trump, The Cruz's and the Pence's of the country were the scariest candidates I could imagine. Now they appear practically tame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 2 minutes ago, Frog Eater said: Oh, I agree, but I would much rather see an election and debate on issues, rather than what crazy shit Donald Trump did today. I think I'd like that just so there's no longer so much publicity and attention for an irresponsible narcissistic demagogue who is stirring up such vile and hateful sentiment around the nation. Have people seen that repulsive video the New York Times put out, the supercut of vicious bigotry spilling out of his rallies? http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/08/04/us/politics/donald-trump-supporters.html?_r=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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