Wolf's Bane Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 10 hours ago, bilplat said: Also Dany. Doesn't she think of Ned as one of the Userper's dogs? She's kind of a symbolic enemy too, with her house having connections to fire and Stark having connections to winter and ice. If this were the case that would make the Starks the villains of the story because Daenerys is the primary protagonist, the hero, and the main character of the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf's Bane Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 I will have to choose Lord Walder Frey. His reasons for taking down the Starks make sense and Robb disrespected him. Walder is a lot more entertaining to read than all of the Starks combined. He's a funny old guy. Theon is my second pick because he was a hostage. Just because the Starks didn't abuse Theon doesn't mean he owed them anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolbeard the Exile Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Tywin Lannister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilplat Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 3 hours ago, Steelshanks Walton said: If this were the case that would make the Starks the villains of the story because Daenerys is the primary protagonist, the hero, and the main character of the story. Main character? Hero? Primary protagonist? Yeah, cuz grrm really sticks to those molds. And where do you get these titles for Dany? At 31 POVs, I'd say Dany is less of a main character than Tyrion with 49. Or Jon with 42. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zandru Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Jorah Mormont. (Funny how he was left out of the list...) In the books, he seems poised to re-join Dany in one capacity or the other, and has never forgiven Ned Stark for exiling him. Moreover, in my opinion, he's actually likeable, unlike the other monsters on the list and names that have been mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 8 hours ago, Steelshanks Walton said: If this were the case that would make the Starks the villains of the story because Daenerys is the primary protagonist, the hero, and the main character of the story. If you think there is one hero, and one main character, you haven't been paying attention. 7 hours ago, Steelshanks Walton said: I will have to choose Lord Walder Frey. His reasons for taking down the Starks make sense and Robb disrespected him. Walder is a lot more entertaining to read than all of the Starks combined. He's a funny old guy. Theon is my second pick because he was a hostage. Just because the Starks didn't abuse Theon doesn't mean he owed them anything. A guy backs out of an engagement and he deserves death? Not even in the medieval world was that considered normal. He wasn't taking down "the Starks." He was taking down Robb. He even planned to keep Catelyn as a hostage. Nor does disrespect = a death sentence. And it's funny you should mention that anyway because Walder disrespects everybody and thinks that's perfectly okay, but if someone does it to him it's a capital offense. Entertaining I'll grant, but the guy is a jackass, a hypocrite, and a coward. Theon's not an enemy to House Stark. He doesn't like them, but he's not out to ruin them. He only took Winterfell to try and gain his father's respect. Really Theon's a bigger enemy to himself than anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roswell Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Petyr Baelish. He was great at taking down the entire Stark family. He's been manipulating Sansa like a puppet. It might have been him who planted the idea on Joffrey's head to kill Eddard. I like him for those reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
300 H&H Magnum Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Theon Greyjoy. His surprise attack on Winterfell made the Starks look weak and thus beatable. Roose and Walder had sound reasons to do the red wedding but they wouldn't have had the balls to do this if they ever believed the Starks would get their power back. Theon made this possible when he took Winterfell from the Starks. Robb's rebellion lost its symbolic capital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of the West Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 I think that Roose is the most interesting of those listed as he's intelligent, or seems so, while most of the others are just evil and most often stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fresh PtwP Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Jeyne Westerling's hips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Walter of AShwood Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, The Fresh PtwP said: Jeyne Westerling's hips. Now there's an enemy! Those hips cost Robb not only his kingdom, but also his (and a lot of his bannermans) life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jango Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Probably Tywin due to the disregard he had for anyone else who wasn't a Lannister. Even then, he still displayed a semblance of not really giving a crap when it came to some family members. The Rains of Castamere is really the cherry on top of it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moiraine Sedai Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Obvious answer, the most successful enemy: Petyr Baelish. He just needs to throw Sansa off that mountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingMance Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 5 hours ago, The Fresh PtwP said: Jeyne Westerling's hips. I'm going with the wildlings, since they've battled on and off for the last several hundred years. And the wildlings at least respect the Starks, which can't be said for the Frickin Freys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wm Portnoy Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Out of all the Starks, Jon is the one that I really don't like. I will pick Bowen Marsh. I don't think Marsh stabbed Jon out of hate. Marsh was just doing his job to protect the realm from Jon's poor decision. Marsh didn't do it for personal gain . He killed Jon out of duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, Wm Portnoy said: Out of all the Starks, Jon is the one that I really don't like. I will pick Bowen Marsh. I don't think Marsh stabbed Jon out of hate. Marsh was just doing his job to protect the realm from Jon's poor decision. Marsh didn't do it for personal gain . He killed Jon out of duty. Marsh was doing it to protect his but from political forces which his oath precludes him taking into consideration. He's not an enemy of House Stark anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wm Portnoy Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, Lady Blizzardborn said: Marsh was doing it to protect his but from political forces which his oath precludes him taking into consideration. He's not an enemy of House Stark anyway. Marsh was technically not an enemy of anyone but I chose him because he took down Jon Snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 15 minutes ago, Wm Portnoy said: Marsh was technically not an enemy of anyone but I chose him because he took down Jon Snow. Would have been more impressive if he'd done it himself instead of having to do it by committee. But you're right that he's not anyone enemy...except maybe himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Commentator Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Tywin Lannister. His son pushed Bran out the window. His grandson had Ned executed. Daughter Cersei had one of the direwolves killed. Tywin was the most effective of the forces opposing the Starks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lord of the Crossing Posted March 5, 2017 Author Share Posted March 5, 2017 I am partial to Lothar Frey. After all, he was the architect behind the red wedding. His plan allowed his allies to end the Stark Rebellion and took down that flea bag Robb Stark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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