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I do like the assertion that black people aren't going to vote for Bloomberg despite his polling with AA is quite good and on par with sanders, black people are saying outright that theyll vote for him because he is better than trump, and black people in New York while he was promoting stop and frisk voted for him there, too. 

Theres a whole lot of evidence and black people telling you you're wrong. Maybe listen to why?

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2 minutes ago, Muaddibs_Tapeworm said:

Who's that guy who keeps winning primaries? Media never seems to mention his name. I want to say Barnyard Sandy? I'm voting for him.

Jokes to go.

First, I don’t recommend writing Barnyard Sandy in. Can’t  say for sure such a person doesn’t exist, but if he does I don’t think he’s who you mean.

Second. Aren’t we only on 2? With 1 being a caucus?

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1 hour ago, A True Kaniggit said:

What is the point of these 13 years? Isn't it to get children enough education that after graduation they can join the workforce?

No, not at all. It's to keep children occupied and out of trouble so that both parents can be at work. It also attempts to teach them to be obedient and to conform and yes, some basic skills (reading, writing, math, etc.) which will be useful later, but these are secondary and almost everyone forgets most of what they learned over the years.

1 hour ago, A True Kaniggit said:

If we are now at the point where the information included in a college degree, but not a high school one, is required for jobs with a livable wage, then why isn't that information included in these 13 years of school?

Most of the information included in a college degree is not required for anything and again, almost everyone will forget most of what they learned over the years. Some people (mainly those who go to grad school) will make extensive use of a subset of this information, but again, the information is secondary -- the thing that's required for many decent jobs is not the information, but the degree itself. It's an expensive credential that proclaims one to be a member of the largest in-group in the country.

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12 minutes ago, Muaddibs_Tapeworm said:

Bernstein Banders?

Nailed it ;).

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32 minutes ago, Altherion said:

Most of the information included in a college degree is not required for anything and again, almost everyone will forget most of what they learned over the years. Some people (mainly those who go to grad school) will make extensive use of a subset of this information, but again, the information is secondary -- the thing that's required for many decent jobs is not the information, but the degree itself. It's an expensive credential that proclaims one to be a member of the largest in-group in the country.

So you agree the problem is many employers demanding a useless degree for jobs that don't need it?

Edit: A two second google reveals to me that only 34% of Americans have a minimum 4 year degree. How is that the largest in-group in the country?

Pretty sure being white like us still takes the cake on that account. 

Edited by A True Kaniggit

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On 2/12/2020 at 9:17 AM, Darzin said:

 

Also the DNC can't actually do anything it's up to Democratic voters to decide.

Someone hasn't been paying attention.

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15 hours ago, Fragile Bird said:

Don't vote for him in any primary, but do vote for him in the election if he wins the nomination.

Ahhh, the Hillary Theory.

No. Just because the average Democrat doesn't have integrity, you can't ask me to eschew mine.

Imagine someone calling themselves a liberal voting for the Stop and Frisk guy for President. I'd rather another four years of Trump.

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16 minutes ago, Stego said:

Ahhh, the Hillary Theory.

No. Just because the average Democrat doesn't have integrity, you can't ask me to eschew mine.

Imagine someone calling themselves a liberal voting for the Stop and Frisk guy for President. I'd rather another four years of Trump.

Except Trump advocated making Stop and Frisk a nationwide policy after it was declared unconstitutional. Even Fox News called him out on this.

 

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Bloomberg has nothing to do with being a coward or being courageous.  What he's spending on this election won't change his life at all, even if it was a total waste - he could light it on fire and his life wouldn't be any different.  On the other hand he stands to gain an enormous amount of power, and now we have the precedent with Trump that the prez can benefit financially from the presidency.  

There's no courage in doing what he's doing, at best it's a calculated risk with a ridiculous amount of money that is still just a drop in his fortune.  

If he wanted to be brave he would be dumping a couple million into every single Senate and House race that could go either way.  He's done that in the past and it worked to elect Toomey.  

Bloomberg's no hero, he's just a capitalist oligarch who is less shitty than Trump.

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1 hour ago, Stego said:

Ahhh, the Hillary Theory.

No. Just because the average Democrat doesn't have integrity, you can't ask me to eschew mine.

Imagine someone calling themselves a liberal voting for the Stop and Frisk guy for President. I'd rather another four years of Trump.

Four more years! Four more years! Four more years!

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Personally, I don't trust Bloomberg when he says that we will support the Democratic nominee no matter who he is. He already changed his mind once this cycle (about running for president in the first place). In early 2016, he declared he would run as an independent in general election if ends up being Sanders vs Trump.

If Sanders wins the Democratic nomination, I'd say there's a better than 50% chance that's exactly what he will do.

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But then Boomberg didn' t run in 2016 when all of the data showed Trump would win. The same thing would likely happen again. The guy wants to win and he wants Trump to lose. Now would be given his campaign apparatus to Sanders if he doesn't get the nomination as he promised he would? Maybe not.

Someone pointed out that for all of the money he has spent he still hasn't spent the Trump tax cut yet. Can't say if that's true but it does point out he is not  being punished financially for this run. 

By the way it would be stupid to vote for Trump over Bloomberg if you are a left leaning person in the same way it would be stupid to vote for Trump over Sanders.

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33 minutes ago, Gorn said:

Personally, I don't trust Bloomberg when he says that we will support the Democratic nominee no matter who he is. He already changed his mind once this cycle (about running for president in the first place). In early 2016, he declared he would run as an independent in general election if ends up being Sanders vs Trump.

If Sanders wins the Democratic nomination, I'd say there's a better than 50% chance that's exactly what he will do.

Per most state laws he cannot once he is in the primary due to sore loser laws. If you're worried about that, him running in the primary is the best thing possible. 

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53 minutes ago, Freshwater Spartan said:

But then Boomberg didn' t run in 2016 when all of the data showed Trump would win. The same thing would likely happen again. The guy wants to win and he wants Trump to lose. Now would be given his campaign apparatus to Sanders if he doesn't get the nomination as he promised he would? Maybe not.

Someone pointed out that for all of the money he has spent he still hasn't spent the Trump tax cut yet. Can't say if that's true but it does point out he is not  being punished financially for this run. 

By the way it would be stupid to vote for Trump over Bloomberg if you are a left leaning person in the same way it would be stupid to vote for Trump over Sanders.

When in 2016, prior to the election, did “all of the data show[]” Trump would win?

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28 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

When in 2016, prior to the election, did “all of the data show[]” Trump would win?

They mean that all the data showed if Bloomberg ran as an independent it would help Trump.

Also my God, all the people here saying Bloomberg is the same as Trump, he's not. You're all going to burn the house down just because he's not your guy. If you think climate change is an existential threat and you stay home, I have no words, whatever else Bloomberg may be he's aggressive on climate change. But you all would rather watch the world literally burn, because "both sides are the same" like is climate change a real threat? Is Trump a danger to democracy? Cause if you think he is then well you'd rather the planet die and American democracy be overthrown then vote for someone who won't raise taxes as high as you want? You all are being disgraceful children in the face of some real and present dangers.

 

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29 minutes ago, Darzin said:

They mean that all the data showed if Bloomberg ran as an independent it would help Trump.

Also my God, all the people here saying Bloomberg is the same as Trump, he's not. You're all going to burn the house down just because he's not your guy. If you think climate change is an existential threat and you stay home, I have no words, whatever else Bloomberg may be he's aggressive on climate change. But you all would rather watch the world literally burn, because "both sides are the same" like is climate change a real threat? Is Trump a danger to democracy? Cause if you think he is then well you'd rather the planet die and American democracy be overthrown then vote for someone who won't raise taxes as high as you want? You all are being disgraceful children in the face of some real and present dangers.

 

It's not like a Bloomberg presidency would be some great victory for democracy.  A Bloomberg v Trump race is the predictable result of Citizens United.  Yeah Trump is worse, but Bloomberg sucks shit too.

 

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Looking forward to Zuckerberg / Bezos race in 2028.  Maybe Google can sponsor that year?

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I've lived under the rule of them both.  Bloomie as mayor didn't want bedbug to build that ugly monstrosity of a condo - hotel down in my neighborhood.  He couldn't even stop that.  Then there was the inevitable accidents, mortgage bankruptcies, long delays, and then it stayed empty, still standing there, with his name taken off, but still an obscene obstacle on the way to the river.

It's as though you are saying that Bloomie only raped me once and my friends a few times, but Trump has raped far more, so he's a better choice.  Blech. In fact, a lot of those stop and frisk (such a bland innocuous label for actions that were invasive, brutal, cruel, prolonged physical abuse) were as close to rape as can be got, and technically, despite maybe not a penile penetration, still technically rape.  And Bloomie thinks this was just fine. O, you may then say, of course, Bloomie was doing it legally for law and order, whereas bedbug does it for personal power and fun, so not the same.  To which, again, I vomit.

It is not the same as those who said that voting for Hillary was the same as voting for Trump.  It wasn't.  Hillary never raped me -- or anyone else. (What her husband did may well be something else, but then, he wasn't running for POTUS -- she was.)  Though what she did, both did, to Haiti, for instance was also unforgiveable and cruel.  Yet, I voted for her. And she lost.  Yet here the Dems are trying to foist the same in favor of the billionaire global oligarcy of old white fat cats strategy for running the country as their so often previously proven failure.  Demanding I support Bloomberg while they have done everything to get rid of those who actually stood a chance and would stand up to the bedbug and his cohorts, like Warren, Castro, etc.

In any case, Trump is already got his army -- you even see it and his family, etc. wearing the uniform, which is the same MAGA merch -- the so-called border patrol.

 

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Quite some time ago, like long before the primaries were anywhere close, I threw out the idea that Bernie had a chance to do what Trump had done in the sense of winning the nom because even if he didn't outright win every primary he was going to have this consistent high floor or something where he was always placing.  I feel like at the time a few folks said probably not for reason x or y, but now where we're at today does this not seem like what could be starting to develop?  

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