IlyaP Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, karaddin said: Biphobia and Transphobia dovetail quite well in their philosophy, and unfortunately both are the easier targets for intra community exclusion. There has sure as hell been a lot of success in the online space of trying to rile up fighting between Lesbians and Bisexual women that's resulting in a ton of shit I hate from both sides. Of LGB people, bisexuals often have the worst mental health outcomes due to having a harder time fitting into both straight and queer communities due to exclusion and discrimination from both, and bisexual women have a crazy high level of abuse against them in relationships. That's pretty much why I stopped engaging with the queer community. You've identified all of my major grievances and summarised them all *beautifully* in a single paragraph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaddin Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Just now, IlyaP said: That's pretty much why I stopped engaging with the queer community. You've identified all of my major grievances and summarised them all *beautifully* in a single paragraph. There's still plenty to be gained as well, its all just very human. Good and bad. Not like I'm super social or anything though, I just soak the good up from the sidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, karaddin said: There's still plenty to be gained as well, its all just very human. Good and bad. Not like I'm super social or anything though, I just soak the good up from the sidelines. No disputing the good things. There is, however, only so much "bisexuals are deluded/not real/lying to themselves" etc., that can be tolerated (esp. given there's no evidence to support such claims). One is tempted to remind those who say such things of what the DSM said about homosexuality pre-1973. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaddin Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 38 minutes ago, IlyaP said: No disputing the good things. There is, however, only so much "bisexuals are deluded/not real/lying to themselves" etc., that can be tolerated (esp. given there's no evidence to support such claims). One is tempted to remind those who say such things of what the DSM said about homosexuality pre-1973. Yeah, don't have much time for that type either, certainly understand nopeing out of anywhere you hear that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzack Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 7 hours ago, polishgenius said: Here it is on threadreader. It really is gargantuan, but the relevant analysis of the books themselves is early on. Dang, now you got me staying up and enjoying Hal Duncan's turning HP on its ear instead of getting the sleep I need. You, sir, are a monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightsnake Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 17 hours ago, polishgenius said: Here it is on threadreader. It really is gargantuan, but the relevant analysis of the books themselves is early on. Thankee! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 On 9/20/2020 at 3:41 AM, karaddin said: There's still plenty to be gained as well, its all just very human. Good and bad. Not like I'm super social or anything though, I just soak the good up from the sidelines. I think that's fair. There's ugliness in any community that could and should be addressed. But having a sense of unity is necessary, I think to really combat a lot of the issues that effect all of the Lgbt community. To make clear homophobia is a bigger and prevalent evil than someone being called such on twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Patrek Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 For those who believed that this would really hurt her sales, the book is number 1 in the UK: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/sep/23/jk-rowling-thriller-no-1-transphobia-row-troubled-blood-robert-galbraith?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook&fbclid=IwAR31B6j_IbUFex7aOB-oVyo3ikbRLOcriwAVk1ZADcyscb3LMf_zxOD4IO0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, Lord Patrek said: For those who believed that this would really hurt her sales, the book is number 1 in the UK: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/sep/23/jk-rowling-thriller-no-1-transphobia-row-troubled-blood-robert-galbraith?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook&fbclid=IwAR31B6j_IbUFex7aOB-oVyo3ikbRLOcriwAVk1ZADcyscb3LMf_zxOD4IO0 No such thing as bad publicity! At least now people will read the book and decide if it’s transphobic. Maybe they can come on here and give their opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 16 minutes ago, Heartofice said: No such thing as bad publicity! At least now people will read the book and decide if it’s transphobic. Maybe they can come on here and give their opinions. Reading it now. Definitely not as innocent as the Spectator article suggests, but it’s not (so far) a scare piece on transgender people lurking in toilets to murder people. I’ll update when finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 14 minutes ago, Derfel Cadarn said: Reading it now. Definitely not as innocent as the Spectator article suggests, but it’s not (so far) a scare piece on transgender people lurking in toilets to murder people. I’ll update when finished. Like most things in life, neither as clear cut as those with extreme views in either direction want them to be. Is it any good? Enjoyed the others, cant beleive the length of it though. It's like a fantasy epic in page count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Patrek Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Also, keep in mind that Bookscan doesn't track ebook and audiobook sales. Which probably puts her numbers at close to 100,000 copies sold in a couple of days. But even with 65,000 copies sold, it would still put her on top of the NYT bestseller list, way ahead of number two, in a market that is much larger than the UK's. A far cry from the Harry Potter numbers, true. But outselling almost everything else on the market these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 There are no words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unJon Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Derfel Cadarn said: Reading it now. Definitely not as innocent as the Spectator article suggests, but it’s not (so far) a scare piece on transgender people lurking in toilets to murder people. I’ll update when finished. I’m partway through it also. Agree with this sentiment so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Cosca Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 hour ago, polishgenius said: There are no words This is just painful to watch tbh I can't wrap my head around the fact that one of my favourite childhood author is just being horrible to a vulnerable group of people. It is one thing if her books have problematic elements in them (the house elves, the goblins in Gringotts, etc), but this is just on another level of bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 2 hours ago, polishgenius said: There are no words To be fair to her, I looked at their Etsy shop and didn’t see anything about Trans on there. It’s quite possible she wasn’t aware of those badges. However there were other badges like ‘dead men don’t rape’ and ‘kill your rapist’ which definitely seems like something Rowling would be on board with, and represent the type of feminism going on in that shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Nicomo Cosca said: This is just painful to watch tbh I can't wrap my head around the fact that one of my favourite childhood author is just being horrible to a vulnerable group of people. It is one thing if her books have problematic elements in them (the house elves, the goblins in Gringotts, etc), but this is just on another level of bad. When did shoe on head start having a problem with terfs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaddin Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 I'm not sure why I'd need to read the book to confirm that the premise leans on transphobic tropes (which match her quite clearly stated political views) which are harmful even when that harm is not intended. The harmfulness of a premise doesn't rely on execution, poor or otherwise. I've already said that this seems to have been the case I'm SotL due to follow up comments and work. Given all this rl shit I do not extend that benefit of the doing to JK, but I still don't need to read the work to confirm that because it's the premise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaddin Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: When did shoe on head start having a problem with terfs? I'm only peripherally aware of her other than having known her boxxy videos when she did them, but I have vague recollections of Vaush defending his value to the left by claiming to have converted her from the alt right or some shit. That's also basically the only thing I know about him, other than that he was clearly acting dickish enough to need to defend himself. These people aren't in my corner of the net lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 9 hours ago, Derfel Cadarn said: Reading it now. Definitely not as innocent as the Spectator article suggests, but it’s not (so far) a scare piece on transgender people lurking in toilets to murder people. I’ll update when finished. I applaud you for your effort, Derfel. Thank you for taking one for the team! <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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