Maltaran Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 hour ago, polishgenius said: this idea doesn't really stick because as Mormont points out he wasn't suing Heard, he was suing a newspaper owned by the most influential media owner in the world. He is suing her in the US, a case which isn't done yet, but if I understand anything about the differences between UK and US law it'll be unlikely that he wins that one if he lost this one. There was an explainer on the BBC website about the difference between US and UK libel law - basically, in the UK the defendant (in this case the Sun) has to prove their accusation is true, whereas in the US. Depp will have to prove that it's false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Heartofice said: Well I think the initial stories pushed to the press by his team was that actually he was the victim and that she was the one abusing him. For sure there was bias but there's some pretty hard-to-argue with audio evidence that she was both verbally and in her own telling physically abusive. Obvs we can't know for sure but as you say it seems pretty clear it was a fucked up relationship on both ends and quite likely mutually abusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Without going too far down the rabbit hole (because it isn't really a UK Politics issue): any 'fault on both sides' argument wrt the Depp/Heard marriage has to carry the heavy caveat that Depp had the upper hand in almost every way in the relationship. He was much wealthier, much more famous, considerably more influential (arguably one of the most influential actors in the industry), physically stronger, and was more than two decades older than Heard, who was 22 when the relationship began. Both clearly have some personal issues - don't we all - but the power dynamics were very much in his favour, and that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Which Tyler Posted November 4, 2020 Author Share Posted November 4, 2020 Dominic Raab seems to think that Donald Trump is a media commentator, and that the BBC are actively campaigning for Biden by asking him to comment on Trump's speech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 12 minutes ago, Which Tyler said: Dominic Raab seems to think that Donald Trump is a media commentator, and that the BBC are actively campaigning for Biden by asking him to comment on Trump's speech What did he say? I just saw him on Sky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Which Tyler Posted November 4, 2020 Author Share Posted November 4, 2020 Just now, Heartofice said: What did he say? I just saw him on Sky. He was asked what he thought about Trump's declarations of victory and fraud He said he refuses to comment on media commentary. It was pointed out that a statement by Trump isn't media commentary, he said he refuses to comment on media commentary, he was asked a 3rd time, and he accused Katya Adler of goim g beyond media commentary and into campaigning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Ok yeah he said the same thing on Sky. However I agree with him that it’s probably not a good time for the foreign secretary to be making statements on this stuff. Seems pretty reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 8 hours ago, mormont said: He was much wealthier, much more famous, considerably more influential (arguably one of the most influential actors in the industry), physically stronger, and was more than two decades older than Heard, who was 22 when the relationship began. This is true. 3 minutes ago, Heartofice said: However I agree with him that it’s probably not a good time for the foreign secretary to be making statements on this stuff. Seems pretty reasonable. He's probably right that he shouldn't comment because if Trump wins he'd throw a huff but his response in blaming the media is dishonest and cowardly. He should just say this is a delicate situation and I can't comment right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Which Tyler Posted November 4, 2020 Author Share Posted November 4, 2020 I can understand not wanting to comment, but don't put yourself forward to give comment if you refuse to do so. I think he's be absolutely right not to comment on who he thinks or hopes will win, but to refuse to comment on what constitutes a fact, or to accuse someone trying to get a comment out of you as actively campaigning is.... bizarre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Lockdown laws passed. 38 votes against it to 516 for. Very unsurprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Not good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltaran Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Heartofice said: Lockdown laws passed. 38 votes against it to 516 for. Very unsurprising. Also unsurprising is the list of which 38 MPs it was who voted against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 The queues of people going for a final drink before lockdown are unsurprising but discouraging all the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54824120 Furlough scheme extended to March Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamjm Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 7 hours ago, HelenaExMachina said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54824120 Furlough scheme extended to March I think we had gone about 5 days without a Government U-turn so were probably due for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lessthanluke Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 9 hours ago, HelenaExMachina said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54824120 Furlough scheme extended to March Lockdown to March it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pebble thats Stubby Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 12 hours ago, lessthanluke said: Lockdown to March it is. with a 2 day break towards the end of December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Interesting analysis on the BBC. They had several paths projected and one was rather worrying, based on schools and especially universities resulting in as much virus spread as they think they are. That showed the rate of hospitalisations and deaths dropping only very moderately before lockdown ends, certainly not enough to justify ending it. They indicated this is an experiment that could fail, and a harsher lockdown which closes schools and universities might have to follow in December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltaran Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Starmer, Sturgeon, Drakeford, and Khan have all tweeted congratulations to Biden, the PM has not yet said anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, Maltaran said: Starmer, Sturgeon, Drakeford, and Khan have all tweeted congratulations to Biden, the PM has not yet said anything. He's on hold on the phone. #17 in the queue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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