DireWolfSpirit Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 I dont care what the franchise is blabbing out, im still not convinced it wasnt Nash that fired Brooklyn instead of the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 14 hours ago, Tywin et al. said: Nash was a terrible coach How do you figure that?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 2 hours ago, DireWolfSpirit said: I dont care what the franchise is blabbing out, im still not convinced it wasnt Nash that fired Brooklyn instead of the other way around. Word. If you are Nash I SORT OF understand coming back after what happened this summer, but seeing how this season started...why sully yourself with the stink of these people? Kyrie is a fucking joke, and is hell bent on being one forever, Durant is a sullen child, and Simmons is cooked. Fuck that shit if you're a two time MVP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Relic said: How do you figure that?? 1 hour ago, Relic said: Word. If you are Nash I SORT OF understand coming back after what happened this summer, but seeing how this season started...why sully yourself with the stink of these people? Kyrie is a fucking joke, and is hell bent on being one forever, Durant is a sullen child, and Simmons is cooked. Fuck that shit if you're a two time MVP. Yeah. Nash may in fact be a terrible coach, but I don't think this time in Brooklyn has any informative value on whether or not that's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Rhom said: Yeah. Nash may in fact be a terrible coach, but I don't think this time in Brooklyn has any informative value on whether or not that's true. Herding cats springs to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 4 hours ago, Relic said: How do you figure that?? There was no apparent scheme, he wasn't able to get through to his players and he didn't make any of them better. Plus he didn't stand up for himself. I knew his ass was grass when he said the Nets could grow from the Kyrie situation. Dude, your owner is openly saying all but fuck this guy and you're trying to fix it? He would have had a better chance of surviving if he said Kyrie was no longer playing for this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireWolfSpirit Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Also im noticing the follow up stories are worded as "Agreed to part ways", thats like code to me that Nash manafactured his exit from that looney bin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slurktan Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 22 hours ago, Tywin et al. said: There was no apparent scheme, he wasn't able to get through to his players and he didn't make any of them better. Plus he didn't stand up for himself. I knew his ass was grass when he said the Nets could grow from the Kyrie situation. Dude, your owner is openly saying all but fuck this guy and you're trying to fix it? He would have had a better chance of surviving if he said Kyrie was no longer playing for this team. He gave a corporate answer. If he says "Kyrie is no longer playing" he gets fired. Seems pretty clear to me Nash didn't like the corporate shit he had to say after being put in an extremely shitty situation and then deked. Good for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briantw Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 I will say that it was an interesting strategy by Brooklyn to attempt to put out the Kyrie Irving anti-Semitism fire by hiring a coach who was suspended the entire year by Boston for repeatedly sexually harassing a female coworker. Also, how are neither Irving nor Udoka suspended by the NBA? Why are they handling these guys with such kid gloves when they’ve been so heavy handed in the past dealing out suspensions for similar conduct under Silver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briantw Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Looking like the Spurs may have gotten themselves in some hot water here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 2 hours ago, briantw said: I will say that it was an interesting strategy by Brooklyn to attempt to put out the Kyrie Irving anti-Semitism fire by hiring a coach who was suspended the entire year by Boston for repeatedly sexually harassing a female coworker. Also, how are neither Irving nor Udoka suspended by the NBA? Why are they handling these guys with such kid gloves when they’ve been so heavy handed in the past dealing out suspensions for similar conduct under Silver? Brooklyn really seems to want to concentrate a lot of the elements of a prime dumpster fire within their team at the moment. The press won't know what scandal to ask about, there will be so many. Is it genius or madness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 8 minutes ago, Wilbur said: Brooklyn really seems to want to concentrate a lot of the elements of a prime dumpster fire within their team at the moment. The press won't know what scandal to ask about, there will be so many. Josh Primo is available... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 19 minutes ago, Maithanet said: Josh Primo is available... Brooklyn isn't all that far from the headquarters of the New York Jets... They could bring Primo on board and then ask the Jets how they handled Brett Favre... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 8 hours ago, Slurktan said: He gave a corporate answer. If he says "Kyrie is no longer playing" he gets fired. Seems pretty clear to me Nash didn't like the corporate shit he had to say after being put in an extremely shitty situation and then deked. Good for him. 6 hours ago, briantw said: I will say that it was an interesting strategy by Brooklyn to attempt to put out the Kyrie Irving anti-Semitism fire by hiring a coach who was suspended the entire year by Boston for repeatedly sexually harassing a female coworker. It's a bit of speculation, but I trust Amin Elhassan and Tom Haberstroh and they said on their pod yesterday that Nash was probably already effectively fired during the offseason unless the Nets looked great out the gate, and that KD has spent time recruiting and pushing for Udoka for months. Quote Also, how are neither Irving nor Udoka suspended by the NBA? Why are they handling these guys with such kid gloves when they’ve been so heavy handed in the past dealing out suspensions for similar conduct under Silver? Can the NBA suspend Udoka? He broke team rules, and while people have said they flatly know bad shit happened behind the scenes, I've never seen an exact account of everything wrong he did. Kyrie, otoh, has been told publicly by Silver that they will meet, and I suspect if Kyrie doesn't do exactly what Silver wants (notably a public and private apology from a guy who can't apologize) he'll be facing a serious ban (and I think there's a decent chance no team ever signs him again). It's worth noting the NBA has and has had far more Jewish owners than any other major sports league and the two most important Commissioners in the sport's history are Jewish and they've run the league for nearly 40 years. I promise you they want to give him the chance to walk this back, but if he doesn't I'd be shocked if the hammer isn't brought down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 7 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: It's a bit of speculation, but I trust Amin Elhassan and Tom Haberstroh and they said on their pod yesterday that Nash was probably already effectively fired during the offseason unless the Nets looked great out the gate, and that KD has spent time recruiting and pushing for Udoka for months. Whether he was fired or not - and I agree with you he probably was - I don't get how you can conclude Nash is a shitty coach based on this dumpster fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, DMC said: Whether he was fired or not - and I agree with you he probably was - I don't get how you can conclude Nash is a shitty coach based on this dumpster fire. If you want to cite the dumpster fire that is the Nets organization, that's fine, but I fail to see anything Nash did that was a real positive. It's not connecting with his stars, it's not scheme or adjustments and it's not commanding respect. Honestly if I was him I probably would have resigned the moment Kyrie and KD said they don't view him as their HC right after he was hired. Seemed like the writing was on the wall from the jump. Also, and this is a personal bias of mine, I don't think great players tend to make great coaches even if they're as smart as a guy like Nash is. No matter the sport, I tend to believe players that had to grind like crazy just to stay in their respective leagues have better results, all things considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 22 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: It's not connecting with his stars, it's not scheme or adjustments and it's not commanding respect. Honestly if I was him I probably would have resigned the moment Kyrie and KD said they don't view him as their HC right after he was hired. Seemed like the writing was on the wall from the jump. Meh this seems like silly bravado on your part. Not "commanding respect" of the players involved? Gimme a fucking break. As for great players not being good coaches, this is obviously contradicted by the myriad of point guards that go into coaching, including great ones - starting with Lenny Wilkins. Concluding Nash can't be a good or even great coach based of his Nets tenure is decidedly hasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 20 minutes ago, DMC said: Meh this seems like silly bravado on your part. Not "commanding respect" of the players involved? Gimme a fucking break. As for great players not being good coaches, this is obviously contradicted by the myriad of point guards that go into coaching, including great ones - starting with Lenny Wilkins. Concluding Nash can't be a good or even great coach based of his Nets tenure is decidedly hasty. Again, his two star players said from the jump they didn't really view him like a HC and then walked all over him. Not really sure how that's bravado. Just seems kind of obvious. And I wasn't trying to imply star players can't become good coaches, I just believe the average ones overall are more successful because they could never just rest on talent alone. Maybe Nash gets another chance and has success, but like I said, I didn't see him do much of anything that going forward makes me believe he'll be a good coach or even deserves a second chance. In other news, the Nets suspend Kyrie for five games and I'm sure his subpar public comments today played a role. If he has real friends in his camp they'll tell him his job is on the line next week with Silver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briantw Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Looks like the Nets took matters into their own hands. This should be an interesting shit show to watch play out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: Again, his two star players said from the jump they didn't really view him like a HC and then walked all over him. This is blatantly eliding the fact his two star players are world class douchebags. Hell, even if they weren't, how many good-great coaches has LeBron walked all over? Seems a really stupid way to judge a coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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