mormont Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 32 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: They should all quit in response. Probably unnecessary, as the law is likely to be hard to enforce, and the Labour party have already pledged to repeal it when elected (in around two years' time). This government long ago reached the point where passing unnecessary, unenforceable or pointless laws is their go-to response. Tywin et al. and Spockydog 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) 2 hours ago, mormont said: This is the briefing, not the legislation, but it sounds appalling. You can't have this type of no-strike arrangement unless it's accompanied by independent pay reviews that employers are required to abide by. Otherwise, it's unequal and unethical. Lots of ways to reinstitute slavery as long as it is not called that and there is no open buying and selling of people and children. Of course, when women are able to control their reproduction via safe and legal contraception, well that creates a bottle neck, but we're working on getting rid of that. Working hard, constantly, relentlessly and heartlessly, since women without safe and legal contraception and reproductive health care will die. In large numbers, but still, we are then in control 100%. P.S. Here -- Some NYC hospitals prepare for 10,000 nurses to strike as negotiations continue to stall https://gothamist.com/news/some-nyc-hospitals-prepare-for-10000-nurses-to-strike-as-negotiations-continue-to-stall Quote .... Members of the New York State Nurses Association at seven hospitals and health systems across the five boroughs submitted 10-day strike notices on Dec. 30 after voting to authorize a strike last month. Since then, New York-Presbyterian, Richmond University Medical Center and Maimonides Medical Center have managed to narrowly avoid a strike by reaching tentative three-year contract agreements. The threat still looms at some medical centers in the Montefiore and Mount Sinai health networks, as well as at Flushing Hospital Medical Center in Queens and at the BronxCare Health System. Some 10,000 nurses could still strike if negotiations continue to stall. Nurses said they are fighting for better health benefits and pay raises that will keep up with the rate of inflation. But the biggest sticking point is the need for increased staffing, which they said is crucial to patient care. .... Edited January 5 by Zorral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Again, the UK is not the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A wilding Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 2 hours ago, Tywin et al. said: They should all quit in response. I am sure that many of them will. It is hard to escape the conclusion that Sunak is deliberately destroying the NHS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) 56 minutes ago, mormont said: Again, the UK is not the US. Never implied it was. I am even familiar with why this is the case. But isn't the situation the same? The greedy wealthy elite starving essential services? Totally screwing health care? Much of which is performed by women? Edited January 5 by Zorral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 24 minutes ago, A wilding said: I am sure that many of them will. It is hard to escape the conclusion that Sunak is deliberately destroying the NHS. This has been the primary objective of the hard right of the Tory Party - who now control the party despite rapidly growing evidence that the British general public is not really on that extreme side of the political divide - since the nanosecond Brexit was in the bank. The hard right of the party believes that morally and ideologically the NHS is socialist and a creation of the Labour Party, and it must be destroyed no matter the cost. The saner wing of the party, including most of the red wall intake, are fortunately not on board with this idea at all, seeing it as not just a vote-loser, but an existential threat to the party's electability, and instead want to see reforms to make the NHS at least stay afloat in the short term, and then Labour can do whatever they need to do to try to patch it up in the 1-3 terms they'll be in power and then the Tories can ignore it again when they take over again, probably long after everyone currently in the parliamentary party has fucked off. The Conservatives may be looking now at causing as much horrific damage as possible to the country in general and the NHS specifically so that when Labour gets in, their entire term in office is spent running around putting out fires started by the Tories rather than engaging in the types of sweeping reforms the country needs but the Conservatives will find very tough to reverse further down the line, at least in any short timescale. Which Tyler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 2 hours ago, Werthead said: their entire term in office is spent running around putting out fires started by the Tories rather than engaging in the types of sweeping reforms the country needs but the Conservatives will find very tough to reverse further down the line, at least in any short timescale. Hmmmm. Didn't you just say the UK isn't the US? Been there, seen that, many times over already here. Tywin et al. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 I said that, not Wert, and it's still true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Not sure we will get the turnout we need, to be fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BigFatCoward Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 They just can't help themselves. What vile fucking cunts. Budget peasants! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64187046 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Heartofice Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 27 minutes ago, Spockydog said: Mate wtf? She killed herself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 22 minutes ago, Heartofice said: Mate wtf? She killed herself! But the point is the press are predominantly treating her as a victim. But you knew that. Prince of the North, Spockydog and Crixus 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 I think the point is that both stories are tragic and sad, yes. We don't yet have a good enough approach to these situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippounet Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Come on, everyone knows the reason Begum got so much hatred was the rather unrepentant interview she gave in 2019 (at age 20). She was an adult and she still wouldn't clearly reject ISIS. Regardless of anything else, there was just no way she could be seen as a victim after that - even though she was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted January 7 Author Share Posted January 7 54 minutes ago, Rippounet said: Come on, everyone knows the reason Begum got so much hatred was the rather unrepentant interview she gave in 2019 (at age 20). She was an adult and she still wouldn't clearly reject ISIS. Regardless of anything else, there was just no way she could be seen as a victim after that - even though she was. Yeah, it's almost as if she was brainwashed as a child. And I'm no psychologist, but perhaps some of the things she said were in response to the things being said about her in the British press. One thing is certain, though. Both cases are absolutely tragic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pebble thats Stubby Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 10 hours ago, Rippounet said: Come on, everyone knows the reason Begum got so much hatred was the rather unrepentant interview she gave in 2019 (at age 20). She was an adult and she still wouldn't clearly reject ISIS. Regardless of anything else, there was just no way she could be seen as a victim after that - even though she was. things said when she was in a refugee camp in a potentially very venerable position. it might not have been safe for her to say anything different. I do wonder if she had been allowed back into the UK and the TV interview done there if what she said would have been any different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted January 8 Author Share Posted January 8 Truth. Prince of the North and JGP 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted January 8 Author Share Posted January 8 (edited) Who is advising this twat? He is comically useless. Unfortunately for Rishi, when you become the PM presiding over the systematic dismantling of the NHS, your healthcare arrangements should be as private as your tax-dodging wife's non-dom status. Edited January 8 by Spockydog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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