LongRider Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 8 minutes ago, Kierria said: There is a telepathic connection between her and her dragons. Drogon in particular senses her feelings and worries. Funny, but we are in her head in her chapters and she never mentions it. weird Craving Peaches and Ser Arthurs Dawn 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Here's Looking At You, Kid Posted September 3, 2023 Author Share Posted September 3, 2023 On 8/5/2023 at 5:15 PM, BRANDON GREYSTARK said: It depends on which one you like better . Dany is a political leader , while Jon is a military commander .Both made good and bad choices, and both are dealing with unruly subjects . Jon'a mistakes were much worse. He misused his authority and used it to kill his father's political enemy. I am talking here about Jon and Janos. Jon behaved unprofessionally and unethically when he killed Janos. Jon again abused his position and sent a sworn man of the watch to commit an illegal extraction mission just for the sake of his sister. It was breaking the laws to send Mance Rayder and his Wildlings to fetch Arya. Jon earned the pointy end of Bowen's dagger. Dany's mistakes are not nearly as bad and definitely correctable. She was too easy on the Meerenese slave masters and let them keep their wealth. The head of every slave-owning family should have been executed for their lifetime of crime. I can understand why she wanted to spare their lives and give them a chance to accept a life without slavery. Now the hardliners among them have proven they won't accept. It is high time to bring them to justice and give them a proper execution. Dany is indeed a much better leader and governor than Jon. Jon can't handle an institution that was basically given to him by Mormont and the buffoon, Samwell, then he is absolutely not competent enough to govern anything bigger than a handful of guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaffronLady Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 3 hours ago, Here's Looking At You, Kid said: Jon again abused his position and sent a sworn man of the watch to commit an illegal extraction mission just for the sake of his sister. Quote "Still," Slynt said, "I will not have it said that Janos Slynt hanged a man unjustly. I will not. I have decided to give you one last chance to prove you are as loyal as you claim, Lord Snow. One last chance to do your duty, yes!" He stood. "Mance Rayder wants to parley with us. He knows he has no chance now that Janos Slynt has come, so he wants to talk, this King-beyond-the-Wall. But the man is craven, and will not come to us. No doubt he knows I'd hang him. Hang him by his feet from the top of the Wall, on a rope two hundred feet long! But he will not come. He asks that we send an envoy to him." ... "We're not sending you to talk with Mance Rayder," Ser Alliser said. "We're sending you to kill him." Let's just say Janos abused his position and sent a sworn man of the watch to commit an assassination under an invitation of parley just for the sake of his abused pride. Because going on would just make it clearer that Janos Slynt deserved to die, really, and I prefer not to pick fights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 1 hour ago, SaffronLady said: Let's just say Janos abused his position and sent a sworn man of the watch to commit an assassination under an invitation of parley just for the sake of his abused pride. Because going on would just make it clearer that Janos Slynt deserved to die, really, and I prefer not to pick fights. If anyone had earned a hanging, it was Janos Slynt. Death by the sword was more than he deserved. Ser Arthurs Dawn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Wadsworth Longfellow Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 On 9/3/2023 at 3:50 AM, SeanF said: If anyone had earned a hanging, it was Janos Slynt. Death by the sword was more than he deserved. He did not. Any crime he was guilty of in the past was forgiven because he joined the nights' watch. They live by that rule. Westeros recognizes and respects that rule. Nothing Janos did after taking black deserved what Jon did to him. On the other hand, Jon deserved the stabbing he got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 1 hour ago, H Wadsworth Longfellow said: He did not. Any crime he was guilty of in the past was forgiven because he joined the nights' watch. They live by that rule. Westeros recognizes and respects that rule. Nothing Janos did after taking black deserved what Jon did to him. On the other hand, Jon deserved the stabbing he got. Ordering a man to murder Mance Rayder, under flag of truce, upon pain of his own execution? That’s a violation of every military code. Wilful refusal to carry out a lawful order, in the face of the enemy, given to him by his commanding officer? Death is the only penalty for such an act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrosh Lannister Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 On 8/19/2023 at 12:22 AM, LongRider said: Funny, but we are in her head in her chapters and she never mentions it. weird The dragons seem to hiss when she's angry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 How has this thread not been locked yet? It's basically devolved into a hive for trolls. LongRider, Ser Arthurs Dawn and SaffronLady 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaffronLady Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 8 hours ago, H Wadsworth Longfellow said: Nothing Janos did after taking black deserved what Jon did to him. Ok, so breaking the Night's Watch's neutrality principle and disobeying direct orders from the Lord Commander in public is not grounds for execution? How creative double standards go. Craving Peaches and Ser Arthurs Dawn 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 This thread is fully of people blatantly ignoring the text so they can push their ridiculous 'Jon is Evil' agenda. Ser Arthurs Dawn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csuszka1948 Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 On 8/18/2023 at 4:22 PM, LongRider said: Funny, but we are in her head in her chapters and she never mentions it. weird That's because she is probably insane, just like Jon Snow. It's in the Targaryen genes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 Trolly trolls a trollin' Ser Arthurs Dawn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Arthurs Dawn Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 Do these people get paid to promote their bad opinions? Regardless, their confidence in their bad takes is making me want to break out into horrible rap song. The Tullys are mad Jon Snow is bad Ned Stark's a cad But Craster is rad And maybe I could add something about Ramsay being a total Chad. Thoughts? LongRider and Craving Peaches 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 Ramsey’s game The dogs they bay and rush Through the trees and underbrush The prey is cornered and he is glad No more will she call him bastard or chad SaffronLady, csuszka1948 and Ser Arthurs Dawn 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csuszka1948 Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 On 9/3/2023 at 9:50 AM, SeanF said: If anyone had earned a hanging, it was Janos Slynt. Death by the sword was more than he deserved. GRRM originally wanted Jon to kill him by hanging, just when he read his version aloud to fans, they told him that death by sword would be more fitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 You know you're talking to a troll, if the person is defending a baby killer. That or the person is a sociopath and I'm not sure if that's better, lol SeanF and SaffronLady 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 1 hour ago, sifth said: You know you're talking to a troll, if the person is defending a baby killer. That or the person is a sociopath and I'm not sure if that's better, lol There are readers who admire sociopaths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csuszka1948 Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, SeanF said: There are readers who admire sociopaths. Sociopaths? You should call them "hard men making hard choices". When it comes to Daenerys (or Jon Snow or Arya for Stark haters) making ruthless decisions and unleashing her dragons and the Dothraki on Westeros, she suddenly becomes a mad Queen needed to put down though. Edited September 5, 2023 by csuszka1948 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roswell Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 3 hours ago, csuszka1948 said: Sociopaths? You should call them "hard men making hard choices". When it comes to Daenerys (or Jon Snow or Arya for Stark haters) making ruthless decisions and unleashing her dragons and the Dothraki on Westeros, she suddenly becomes a mad Queen needed to put down though. It will be Mad Arya Stark who will be put down in the end. Arya has lost her sanity as well as her morality. But let's get back to the main question. Dany is unquestionably a superior leader over Jon. Jon sucked so bad at his job that even a mild mannered accountant like Bowen Marsh had to summon the courage to put Jon down like a rabid dog. Rosetta Stone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaffronLady Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 4 hours ago, Roswell said: Jon sucked so bad at his job that even a mild mannered accountant like Bowen Marsh had to summon the courage to put Jon down like a rabid dog. Quote These include making a baseborn lad, Satin, the Lord Commander's new steward, appointing the wildling Leathers as the new master-at-arms at Castle Black, and allowing wildlings to join the Watch and diminish the food supply. Yes yes yes, obviously we see Jon being bad at his job, just like Dany sucked at her job by making slaves a part of her power. Ser Arthurs Dawn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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