Ser Scot A Ellison Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 50 minutes ago, KingAerys_II said: The strong indipendent woman that is actually weaker than the canonic character who has a family, a husband , a daughter and probably grandchildren too . The strong indipendent woman that is so alone she is obsessed to her brother that actually died thousands years before the Rings of Power Independent people can’t have obsessions and weaknesses? IlyaP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fionwe1987 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 16 hours ago, polishgenius said: You haven't mentioned Terry Pratchett once. Methinks he'd prefer the other Terry, of the Yeard and Evil Chickens, given his rants against American society. AncalagonTheBlack and IlyaP 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingAerys_II Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 The tv series has nothing to do with Lotr, there are characters that have same names to those in the books, but they are totally different , the plot is different too. A bad product conceived by activists , I expect the second season to be as bad as the first one and I hope Season 2 is the last one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 14 minutes ago, KingAerys_II said: A bad product conceived by activists A bad product doesn’t have to be conceived by “activists”. I’m not fond of RoP… but the accusation it has been created by “activists” is bizarre. IlyaP and Prince of the North 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) Did Tolkien write any letters or did any interviews where he explained why the Second Age is so long? Why there are such huge gaps between the age's major events? Sometimes I feel like he went too much on the timeline with the Second and Third Ages. Imo, the show should have approached the timeline with an anthology mindset, connecting the seasons with the overall arch of the show's title along with a handful of major characters. You can possibly justify shrinking the timeline to a few centuries instead of a couple of millennia, that way besides Sauron and the Elves, you can still use the same actors for Númenor and the Dwarves for more than one season. I think it's funny that the show went with this extremely shrunken timeline when at the same time House of the Dragon had no problem switching actors (in some cases more than once) for a period that is only about 20 years. Edited January 31 by Corvinus85 Durckad and Ser Scot A Ellison 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 9 minutes ago, Corvinus85 said: I think it's funny that the show went with this extremely shrunken timeline when at the same time House of the Dragon had no problem switching actors (in some cases more than once) for a period that is only about 20 years. House of the Dragon also does exactly what I expected RoP to do… flesh out the existing outline rather than creating a new timeline whole cloth. And which show is receiving dramatic accolades? Corvinus85 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: A bad product doesn’t have to be conceived by “activists”. I’m not fond of RoP… but the accusation it has been created by “activists” is bizarre. To be fair this is a dude who thinks that 'strong independent women' are (1) American culture and (2) bad. It's all giving a strong hint of incel. 21 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: House of the Dragon also does exactly what I expected RoP to do… flesh out the existing outline rather than creating a new timeline whole cloth. And which show is receiving dramatic accolades? To be fair I wasn't expecting RoP to do that because they're not allowed to. Zorral and IlyaP 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 22 minutes ago, polishgenius said: To be fair I wasn't expecting RoP to do that because they're not allowed to. Why not? They have the full “Tale of Years” from the appendices of Lord of the Rings. That provides the outline of the second… and earlier third age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 One might hope that people who live as long as elves, etc., might not remain exactly the same over millennia. Stasis is death. And that seems to be one of the thematic matters of LOTR -- this age isn't that age, and in this age the elves leave Middle Earth because their time is over -- they haven't changed enough. While hobbits and men have. Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 7 minutes ago, Zorral said: One might hope that people who live as long as elves, etc., might not remain exactly the same over millennia. Stasis is death. And that seems to be one of the thematic matters of LOTR -- this age isn't that age, and in this age the elves leave Middle Earth because their time is over -- they haven't changed enough. While hobbits and men have. Cirdan the Shipwright (who I believe was among the Quendi who first awakened on Earth at Cuiviénen) is described as having a long white beard at the end of The Lord of the Rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASOIAFrelatedusername Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 2 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: A bad product doesn’t have to be conceived by “activists”. I’m not fond of RoP… but the accusation it has been created by “activists” is bizarre. One might interpret the change in the reason for Numenor's dislike for the Elves as an attempt to make a statement against anti-immigrant sentiments in the real world. However I am happy to apply Hanlon's Razor here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingAerys_II Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Tv series Galadriel is a poor imitation of Eowyn , Celebrimbor is younger than Galadriel and Finrod died thousands of years before the Rings, he died before the death of Glaurung and the War of Wrath . American Politics is the main theme of the show, political stuff at the expense of art , the most important thing is the political message , no one complains about Eowyn, Arwen or Tauriel that was invented Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 4 minutes ago, KingAerys_II said: no one complains about [...] Tauriel that was invented This is a straight up lie IlyaP, Durckad and Corvinus85 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASOIAFrelatedusername Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 19 minutes ago, polishgenius said: This is a straight up lie In fact (some) people complained about her for the same reason that @KingAerys_II complains about ROP-Galadriel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingAerys_II Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 32 minutes ago, ASOIAFrelatedusername said: In fact (some) people complained about her for the same reason that @KingAerys_II complains about ROP-Galadriel. I complain about RoP Galadriel, Celebrimbor , bad dialogues , time compression of thousands of years, Elrond, Isildur,the plot etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASOIAFrelatedusername Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 17 minutes ago, KingAerys_II said: I complain about RoP Galadriel, Celebrimbor , bad dialogues , time compression of thousands of years, Elrond, Isildur,the plot etc As you should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, KingAerys_II said: Tv series Galadriel is a poor imitation of Eowyn , Celebrimbor is younger than Galadriel and Finrod died thousands of years before the Rings, he died before the death of Glaurung and the War of Wrath . American Politics is the main theme of the show, political stuff at the expense of art , the most important thing is the political message , no one complains about Eowyn, Arwen or Tauriel that was invented Nothing you've said is uniquely American and as you are making the claim that it is, the onus is on you to prove that claim. Why not Canadian? Or Belgian? Perhaps Andoran? Or Polish? How are any of the purported "values" you've asserted were inserted into this show uniquely American? Did that country just somehow magically appear one day, out of thin air like sort of alien civilisation, with attitudes and ideas wholly unique unto themselves? Furthermore, MANY people complained about Tauriel - including Tauriel herself, so your statement is both incorrect and leads me to wonder how the hell you failed to be aware of this, as a Tolkien junkie. Corvinus85 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingAerys_II Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Tauriel is fine, then the influence of a certain American cultural movement in the tv series is a fact , as a Tolkien junkie I'll keep reading the books Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 12 minutes ago, KingAerys_II said: Tauriel is fine, then the influence of a certain American cultural movement in the tv series is a fact , as a Tolkien junkie I'll keep reading the books Again: What certain American cultural movement? Seriously, what the hell are you talking about? I can't decide if you're an edgelord troll or simply incapable of fully expressing yourself. If you say something is a fact, it should therefore not be that difficult to explain it. So again, for like the 792nd time: what fact? What American cultural movement? Assemble words and make meaning. And if you can't/won't, I'm going to assume you're just a shit-stirring edgelord troll and block you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) 27 minutes ago, KingAerys_II said: then the influence of a certain American cultural movement in the tv series is a fact Which cultural movement? Intermittent fasting a health aid, tofu cat litter, non-alcoholic cocktails, pretending Taylor Swift is President Biden, the return of clogs and every possible ugly shoe design, side hustles, pickleball shoes? What????????????????????? Oops I didn't need the pickleball shoes as ugly footwear is already on the list -- the cultural movement to ugly shoes is vast, and I cannot even keep up with its daily expansion. Edited January 31 by Zorral IlyaP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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