IlyaP Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 Looks like the writer's strike is tentatively over, but they will still be striking with their actor cohort and all deals are tentative pending final wording - so it could potentially resume if certain key criteria are not in line with expectations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 I...don't know why that's highlighted. The hell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 7 hours ago, IlyaP said: Looks like the writer's strike is tentatively over, but they will still be striking with their actor cohort and all deals are tentative pending final wording - so it could potentially resume if certain key criteria are not in line with expectations. It likely will be approved. Still there's probably a 1% chance it wont and like you said the SAG is still on strike. So for Hollywood this is a case of one problem down and one to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 Was it cheaper for the studios to yield to the WGA than the actors demands ? Surprising they didn’t resolve both at the same time with a good deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 It's a power and status thing. Can't be giving the prols what they want just like that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II said: Was it cheaper for the studios to yield to the WGA than the actors demands ? Surprising they didn’t resolve both at the same time with a good deal I suspect the SAG strike will end in the next week or so. Many of the demands of the WGA are similar to the ones the SAG wanted. Also writers are still picketing with the SAG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 i hope the VFX and video game boys can also unionise in the future....seems its the only way to be treated fairly Wouter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 2 hours ago, IlyaP said: It's a power and status thing. Can't be giving the prols what they want just like that... Pretty much this. In labor disputes ownership groups typically will lose more money than what's being asked for to prove a point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceChampion Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Ran and JGP 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 But still no streaming residuals? How the hell did that pass? (Source: https://gizmodo.com/breaking-down-what-the-writers-guild-won-1850877952) Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkess Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 I think to say no streaming residuals is a simplification. There are plenty of improvements and gains regarding streaming residuals, at least my understanding from reading the WGA agreement summary. I think the new viewership-based residual is the one that didn't get accepted, but there is a "bonus" established based off the residual amounts so kind of a semantics game? The accepted new viewership-based streaming bonus: "HBSVOD series and movies that are viewed by 20% or more of the service’s domestic subscribers in the first 90 days of release, or the first 90 days of any subsequent exhibition year, get a bonus equal to 50% of the fixed domestic and foreign residual. For example, for a project written under the 2023 MBA, the bonus would be equal to: • $9,031 for a half-hour episode • $16,415 for a one-hour episode • $40,500 for a streaming feature over $30 million in budget" (Though personally I think that the "viewed by 20% or more of the service’s domestic subscribers in the first 90 days of release" threshold is way too high, there can't be very many shows that would ever reach that, though I guess we don't know for sure since that data isn't public.) Myrddin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 5 hours ago, Starkess said: (Though personally I think that the "viewed by 20% or more of the service’s domestic subscribers in the first 90 days of release" threshold is way too high, there can't be very many shows that would ever reach that, though I guess we don't know for sure since that data isn't public.) It's a sham. This is basically like signing a basketball player to a $2M deal, but if they win MVP, Finals MVP and lead the league in scoring they get $20M. The hard truth is the WGA never had a chance for major concessions unless they were willing to strike for years which they simply couldn't do. Big money almost always wins these fights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: It's a sham. This is basically like signing a basketball player to a $2M deal, but if they win MVP, Finals MVP and lead the league in scoring they get $20M. The hard truth is the WGA never had a chance for major concessions unless they were willing to strike for years which they simply couldn't do. Big money almost always wins these fights. Yeah this one stung. Like, this is a BIG one, 'cause writers made it quite clear "we are not getting residuals/royalties like we would on regular TV. What the shit yo." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 The SAG is set to meet with the heads of Hollywood next week. With any luck this second strike will end soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkess Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 On 9/28/2023 at 5:00 AM, Tywin et al. said: It's a sham. This is basically like signing a basketball player to a $2M deal, but if they win MVP, Finals MVP and lead the league in scoring they get $20M. The hard truth is the WGA never had a chance for major concessions unless they were willing to strike for years which they simply couldn't do. Big money almost always wins these fights. I think they did get major concessions in all the other areas though. Definitely a success IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 59 minutes ago, Starkess said: I think they did get major concessions in all the other areas though. Definitely a success IMO. They got some concessions, but not significant ones, most of which can be avoided by studios with slick accounting if I'm reading the details correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: They got some concessions, but not significant ones, most of which can be avoided by studios with slick accounting if I'm reading the details correctly. I feel like what the WGA has done is point to what they won versus the opening of negotiations, and trying to ignore the fact that what the AMPTP offered on August 22nd is for the most part what became the final deal. So why the extra month of strike? I'm not sure they gained very much from that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Ran said: I feel like what the WGA has done is point to what they won versus the opening of negotiations, and trying to ignore the fact that what the AMPTP offered on August 22nd is for the most part what became the final deal. So why the extra month of strike? I'm not sure they gained very much from that. I'm not sure. I just spoke with my brother who is in the WGA and he actually thinks the deal is pretty good. We couldn't speak that long, but he's going to call me back. Curious to hear what he has to say. Edited September 30, 2023 by Tywin et al. IlyaP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Well turns out I was wrong. Turns out negotiations with the SAG have failed. So I guess we have another few more months of strike to look forward to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Man they really don’t wanna share that streaming money and let go of digital actors huh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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