polishgenius Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 I know nothing about basketball but I don't know how Ben Simmons is going to recover from Maya Jama breaking off their engagement to get back with Stormzy. Just fully got put in the rebound bin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) 16 minutes ago, BigFatCoward said: All nba 3rd team and all defensive 1st team puts you 15-25 at absolute worst. Simmons would need to improve upon his previous abilities in order to achieve an all-NBA team again. That is because of the league moving away from Simmons skillset, the league getting deeper, and (most importantly) Simmons needing to have a team built around highlighting him and putting the ball in his hands in order to be effective. Philly was willing to do that, and he got an All-NBA spot, and then Philly flamed out in the playoffs because that offensive skillset doesn't really work in the playoffs. Will another team really want to make Simmons the #1 ballhandler? Because that's a pretty risky move given his career thus far. And he's demonstrated pretty clearly that without the ball he is an absolute disaster on offense, to the point where you barely need to cover him at all. Could Simmons find a team willing to make him their primary ballhandler? Maybe, but I personally doubt it, even if he seems to be physically and mentally back to his 2020 self. It would be a huge gamble, and teams are usually pretty risk averse on that kind of thing. A lot more likely is Simmons sharing ballhandling duties or leading the bench unit and subbing in on defense whenever possible. Neither of those roles are ever going to result in Simmons being All-NBA, but he could still have another 5-8 years in the league as a valuable contributor. Barring Simmons not just returning but improving his game, that feels like the best case scenario for him. Edited January 30 by Maithanet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) 30 minutes ago, BigFatCoward said: All nba 3rd team and all defensive 1st team puts you 15-25 at absolute worst. Yesterday's price isn't today's. His current ceiling is a taller version of Draymond without the ability to rally his team. ETA: Then there's the underlying problem from the outside looking in that he doesn't seem to care that much about the sport. I've never been a fan of the mindset that an athlete has to only care about the sport they play, it's good to have other interests and be a more rounded person, but Simmons seems to treat basketball like it's just a job that pays well and he's good at it. I wouldn't trust that going forward when he's on the decline at a time he should be peaking. Edited January 30 by Mr. Chatywin et al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 7 minutes ago, polishgenius said: I know nothing about basketball but I don't know how Ben Simmons is going to recover from Maya Jama breaking off their engagement to get back with Stormzy. Just fully got put in the rebound bin. Never heard of her, but hot damn! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 3 hours ago, Maithanet said: A lot more likely is Simmons sharing ballhandling duties or leading the bench unit and subbing in on defense whenever possible. Neither of those roles are ever going to result in Simmons being All-NBA, but he could still have another 5-8 years in the league as a valuable contributor. Barring Simmons not just returning but improving his game, that feels like the best case scenario for him. Yeah. I understand where BFC is coming from, but I have to agree with this kind of middle-ground regarding Simmons' BCS moving forward. One thing I'd emphasize is Simmons as the primary ballhandler - even when he was being named to All-NBA teams - wasn't that dominant. His usage rate actually peaked his rookie year at 22.3% and went down to about 20 the last two years before everything went to shit. It not like we're talking about peak-Westbrook here. In that way, he can certainly carve out a role as a super tall Markelle Fultz. When healthy (huge caveat), Fultz is still a very useful player. But since coming back from his latest injury a few weeks ago he hasn't even attempted a three point shot. Hell, I watch every Magic game and I don't think Fultz has attempted a shot outside of 10 feet since coming back. But, he's still found a way to be productive, efficient and helping the team compete. That's probably the best case scenario for Simmons - plus, ya know, half a foot taller. Is that a top 50 player in the league? Maybe on the back end, but yeah there's just too many amazing players to think his production would ever be top 25 again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Embiid looks like he got hurt again. DireWolfSpirit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proudfeet Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Yeah, if he doesn't improve, its hard to imagine him getting an All-Star or All-NBA again. Lowering the bar further, he might not even get the max now, given the more punitive restrictions for going over the cap. He was good, but its not like he was Giannis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 it must be said that i personally probably greatly over value/other people under value defence (not sure which it is). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireWolfSpirit Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 4 hours ago, Mr. Chatywin et al. said: Embiid looks like he got hurt again. Hes such a stud but you can about set your watch to some random, nagging, injury dogging him consistently. The NBA is a meat grinder for all but the very most fortunate physiques. Some guys are just always gonna break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireWolfSpirit Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, BigFatCoward said: it must be said that i personally probably greatly over value/other people under value defence (not sure which it is). Thing with Simmons, im never gonna confident in a guy with back issues like his. That condition never really seems to go away completely, it will revisit him again im confident in predicting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 3 hours ago, BigFatCoward said: it must be said that i personally probably greatly over value/other people under value defence (not sure which it is). The Wolves 4th or 5th best player is Jaden McDaniels and he is the same size as Simmons and is every bit as versatile of a defender on a much better contract and he can space the floor and attack the rim. I'd much rather have him than Simmons. A lot of guys on the list I linked (McDaniels was 74) that can defend at a high level and offer more value on offense. 1 hour ago, DireWolfSpirit said: Hes such a stud but you can about set your watch to some random, nagging, injury dogging him consistently. The NBA is a meat grinder for all but the very most fortunate physiques. Some guys are just always gonna break. It is weird that the guy who has maybe the best combination of size and strength always gets hurt, but then again the same dude is also maybe the biggest flopper in the league. Giannis would never do the nonsense Embiid does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calibandar Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 On 1/29/2024 at 9:56 AM, BigFatCoward said: He does seem to just very quietly go about his business, exactly the sort of player i appreciate (in all sports). The top 4 in the West are pretty inseparable now. i have no idea who comes out of there (i'd guess that Denver or LA due to having players with championship/big game experience). Its going to be very tight between those 4 teams yes, which is exciting. And I still dont count a great run from the Suns and Lakers, so that is 6 potential finalists. But those top 4 look rock solid. For me, Denver still slight favorite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 And Simmons is out tonight with a knee injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Portland beat the Bucks. Hilarious! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted February 1 Author Share Posted February 1 (edited) 8 hours ago, Maithanet said: And Simmons is out tonight with a knee injury. Well quite. Luka needs to get out of Dallas, they seem to have no idea how to build a team around him. Almost all other top 10 players have a potential route to the finals/title (except Steph whos at least had his time in the sun). But Dallas are wildly inconsistent. When Luka rests they lose by about 70 Also, don't mind a tribute video, a bit cringe but whatever, but for the Lillard's of the world, not the Durrant's. Edited February 1 by BigFatCoward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 A bit surprised he made it. They really need to expand the rosters to 15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Kind of surprised KAT was selected. Gobert has been the better player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 On 1/19/2024 at 4:28 AM, BigFatCoward said: Stats wise he is better than Holmgren for the season already, i'm just saying if (and i think he will) he keeps his development up he has a far better stat line than Holmgren by the end of the season. Apart from his 3pt % his shooting is ok, last 10 games he is 53% and 87% FT. I just struggle to understand MVP style voting, everywhere else its just the best player, who plays for who, and how good the team is is irrelevant. Ben just put out a video that demonstrates your thesis on the step-function improvement over the last month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 So with Embiid and Randle needing replacements for the ASG any thoughts on who they'll be? I think the obvious choices are Barnes and Young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Lakers smacking the Celtics at home without LeBron and Davis is shocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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