Maegor_the_Cool Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Have Euron die in Oldtown. His potential as a character is incredible. IMO he is the only character in ASOIAF that could have the staying power to rival characters like Sauron, Darth Vader, etc. I think having a dark lord villain would be good for the series. IIRC GRRM has even said he regrets not having a Night King (from the show) character in the books. I think Euron would be perfect for that. Ser Arthurs Dawn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Arthurs Dawn Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Oh, I agree. I think he's so entertaining. I'm really interested to see how his fate will impact the story. He has to have his big moment of "glory" before it's taken from him, so maybe he will survive Oldtown and die elsewhere after wreaking further havoc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maegor_the_Cool Posted November 27, 2023 Author Share Posted November 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ser Arthurs Dawn said: Oh, I agree. I think he's so entertaining. I'm really interested to see how his fate will impact the story. He has to have his big moment of "glory" before it's taken from him, so maybe he will survive Oldtown and die elsewhere after wreaking further havoc. I hope he ends up leading the Others as the New Nights King, and is killed by Daenerys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aejohn the Conqueroo Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 There's evil and then there's raping your brothers. Far as I'm concerned Euron can't be killed off fast enough. Terrorthatflapsinthenight9, Mark of the West and Lord of Raventree Hall 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 5 hours ago, Aejohn the Conqueroo said: There's evil and then there's raping your brothers. Far as I'm concerned Euron can't be killed off fast enough. And there's also mutilating and killing your own children to Euron's list of reasons why he should be forced to drink manticore blood and survive several months but just for him to suffer hell like the Mountain did. Lord of Raventree Hall 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 Didn't GRRM mention he wanted to create someone worse than Walter White? I always thought he was talking about Euron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loose Bolt Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 I assume that if mr. Martin really wants to tell whole story in (2?) more books he would have to somehow get rid of too many players and plotlines. So it is possible that Euron and (F?) Aegon will die very soon. After all if they were too successful their stories would steal time and words from other stories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The hairy bear Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 17 hours ago, _Rhaegar_Targaryen_ said: IMO he is the only character in ASOIAF that could have the staying power to rival characters like Sauron, Darth Vader, etc. I think having a dark lord villain would be good for the series. IIRC GRRM has even said he regrets not having a Night King (from the show) character in the books. It's far too easy, and far to cliche, to have an wicked black-dressed lord who is responsible for all the evil in the world. George has said that shades of grey are much more interesting, and I agree with him. As I see it, the potential descend into darkness of Tyrion or Danaerys will be much more interesting to read than the deeds of an overblown evil character that has been needlessly cruel since its introduction. Aejohn the Conqueroo, Lord of Raventree Hall, KingStoneheart and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 After reading Fire and Blood, I wonder if Euron will end up like the Red Kraken and simply be murdered in bed, before going into battle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingAerys_II Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 1 hour ago, The hairy bear said: It's far too easy, and far to cliche, to have an wicked black-dressed lord who is responsible for all the evil in the world. George has said that shades of grey are much more interesting, and I agree with him. As I see it, the potential descend into darkness of Tyrion or Danaerys will be much more interesting to read than the deeds of an overblown evil character that has been needlessly cruel since its introduction. There is nothing grey in Euron, he murdered three brothers and is doing things to Fralia Flowers, his crew has no tongue and I wonder what he means when he states he wishes to "marry" Daenerys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phylum of Alexandria Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, KingAerys_II said: There is nothing grey in Euron, he murdered three brothers and is doing things to Fralia Flowers, his crew has no tongue and I wonder what he means when he states he wishes to "marry" Daenerys GRRM has a wide moral spectrum, with a few characters being solid black, or so dark a gray as to make no difference. Euron is one such character. But that's all the reason not to make him the central big bad of the story. I agree with @The hairy bear; that's not at all interesting to me. Edited November 28, 2023 by Phylum of Alexandria KingStoneheart 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Raventree Hall Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 I find Euron ....less compelling than like Tyrion's decent into evil or Cersei being herself, or Jon Connington as a potential villain (Like, honestly, he keeps repeatedly saying he wants to be more like Tywin...I think JonCon could easily be the villain of TWoW more than Euron). As to why I don't like Euron : 1. As others mentioned here, he raped his brothers (who were children). 2. He mutilated his own children. 3. His motivations are not relatable at all in any universe. I hope he dies mid TWoW, I have no interest in him being some big new bad. As I said, I think JonCon is much more intriguing as a new central bad guy. You also still have Ramsay/Roose, Cersei is veyr much still alive, and Petyr Baelish is still alive. Also, Stannis might murder his daughter. I don't want that to happen, but I do think there is set up for it to potentially happen. If it does, I don't know how he wouldn't be a villain at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingAerys_II Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 Indeed I believe he is going to play a central role as a villain, it's clear in one of Moqorro visions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phylum of Alexandria Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 1 minute ago, KingAerys_II said: Indeed I believe he is going to play a central role as a villain, it's clear in one of Moqorro visions He can play a pivotal role as a third act villain, without being a central villain, ie, the Big Bad of the story. If he's the one who unleashes the Long Night and allows the Others to descend upon Westeros, that's a huge deal for the plot. I would be perfectly fine with him dying or going mad after that point, and I certainly don't want him to act like the Night King from the show. That's not the story I believe that I've been reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aejohn the Conqueroo Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 59 minutes ago, KingAerys_II said: Indeed I believe he is going to play a central role as a villain, it's clear in one of Moqorro visions "...clear in one of Moqorro's visions" As clear as Mel's vision of Arya riding a horse to Jon, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaffronLady Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Lord of Raventree Hall said: If it does, I don't know how he wouldn't be a villain at that point. Isn't Stannis already set down on the path of the villain by murdering his brother? He is not only a kinslayer, but also a kinslayer via witchcraft. The Fot7 would have his head for this - maybe both heads, castrate him first then decapitate him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Suburbs Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 23 hours ago, _Rhaegar_Targaryen_ said: Have Euron die in Oldtown. His potential as a character is incredible. IMO he is the only character in ASOIAF that could have the staying power to rival characters like Sauron, Darth Vader, etc. I think having a dark lord villain would be good for the series. IIRC GRRM has even said he regrets not having a Night King (from the show) character in the books. I think Euron would be perfect for that. I suspect Oldtown is a feint anyway. Draw forces away from King's Landing and then take the capital unawares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 3 hours ago, Lord of Raventree Hall said: I find Euron ....less compelling than like Tyrion's decent into evil or Cersei being herself, or Jon Connington as a potential villain (Like, honestly, he keeps repeatedly saying he wants to be more like Tywin...I think JonCon could easily be the villain of TWoW more than Euron). As to why I don't like Euron : 1. As others mentioned here, he raped his brothers (who were children). 2. He mutilated his own children. 3. His motivations are not relatable at all in any universe. I hope he dies mid TWoW, I have no interest in him being some big new bad. As I said, I think JonCon is much more intriguing as a new central bad guy. You also still have Ramsay/Roose, Cersei is veyr much still alive, and Petyr Baelish is still alive. Also, Stannis might murder his daughter. I don't want that to happen, but I do think there is set up for it to potentially happen. If it does, I don't know how he wouldn't be a villain at that point. Has JonCon ever done anything evil? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugorfonics Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 1 hour ago, sifth said: Has JonCon ever done anything evil? He cut Tyrion off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phylum of Alexandria Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 1 hour ago, sifth said: Has JonCon ever done anything evil? Not yet, but he's contemplating going full Tywin, and has some young wards to possibly start with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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