Derfel Cadarn Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 31 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: And you know she was wise and foresighted in the first and second ages… based on… what? Yeah. Leaving paradise to spend years crossing an arctic wasteland in order to fight a bitter fruitless war against a god is not what I’d call wise. Wise would have been calling it a day after the slaughter of the Teleri and theft of the ships, returning home to paradise. Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingAerys_II Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 32 minutes ago, Derfel Cadarn said: Yeah. Leaving paradise to spend years crossing an arctic wasteland in order to fight a bitter fruitless war against a god is not what I’d call wise. Wise would have been calling it a day after the slaughter of the Teleri and theft of the ships, returning home to paradise. That's what Finarfin did, instead Galadriel chose to help her people, the decision to leave paradise was Feanor decision, his siblings obeyed because he was the king Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 41 minutes ago, KingAerys_II said: That's what Finarfin did, instead Galadriel chose to help her people, the decision to leave paradise was Feanor decision, his siblings obeyed because he was the king I know, having read the books ( and unlike you, can keep the characters straight). My point is, its not a wise choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingAerys_II Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Chapter : Of the coming of the elves and the captivity of Melkor. "Next came the Noldor, a name of wisdom,the people of Finwe" Chapter : Of Eldamar and the princes of the Eldalie "Feanor was the mightiest in skill of word and of hand, more learned than his brothers;his spirit burned as a flame. Fingolfin was the strongest, the most steadfast and the most valiant. Finarfin was the fairest and the most wise of heart." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 57 minutes ago, KingAerys_II said: Finarfin was the fairest and the most wise of heart." Where was Finarfin during the 1st Age? And he is called wise. Where is Galadriel during the 1st Age? Derfel Cadarn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 40 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: Where was Finarfin during the 1st Age? And he is called wise. Where is Galadriel during the 1st Age? Finarfin chilling: Hey! How was middle-earth? Random elf leaving Halls of Mandos: Fucking sucked. Spent centuries in a dungeon being tortured. Finarfin: Sucks to be you. Wasn’t all fun and games here; almost ran of of wine for a minute! Where’s Galadriel? Random elf: In Middle-Earth, her daughter having been tortured into madness and is back here now from the trauma, and she’ll never see her granddaughter again. Finarfin: Cool, cool TormundsWoman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingAerys_II Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 You haven't read the book, because you should know that elves lived in Middle Earth long before the flight of the Noldor . Morgoth tortured some Avari to create the Orcs, the Avari are dark elves , they never saw the Light of the Trees. Dark elves are weaker than the Noldor, however the elves of the Doriath were as strong as the Noldor thanks to Melian, Luthien mother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, KingAerys_II said: You haven't read the book, because you should know that elves lived in Middle Earth long before the flight of the Noldor . You missed the obvious snark that was obvious. Edited February 9 by IlyaP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingAerys_II Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 35 minutes ago, IlyaP said: You missed the obvious snark that was obvious. "For Feanor was made the mightiest in all of body parts and mind, in valour, in endurance, in beauty, in understanding , in skill, in strenght and in subtlety alike , of all Children of Iluvatar, and a bright flame was in him." Spirit of Fire Supremacy ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Yeah quoting random bits of text doesn't impress me dude. Especially not about a genocidal lunatic like Feanor. Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 5 minutes ago, IlyaP said: Yeah quoting random bits of text doesn't impress me dude. Using the quote to emphasize Feanor's "supremacy" REALLY doesn't impress me. Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 6 minutes ago, DMC said: Using the quote to emphasize Feanor's "supremacy" REALLY doesn't impress me. Who does he think he is, Jason Bourne? Ser Scot A Ellison and TormundsWoman 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 2 minutes ago, IlyaP said: Who does he think he is, Jason Bourne? It's concerning to boil down Feanor's Legacy to such a simplistic Identity and assert it as an Ultimatum. TormundsWoman, IlyaP and Jace, Extat 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 What is this discussion about again? Is there an argument? What is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingAerys_II Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Feanor is completely fine, the Valar freed Melkor, that returned back tto Valinor with Ungoliant to destroy the Trees, then Melkor stole the gems, in the end the Valar restored the light of the Trees by using Feanor gems. I just enjoy reading the book without moral judgement, it's fantasy book Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 7 minutes ago, KingAerys_II said: I just enjoy reading the book without moral judgement, it's fantasy book But you apply moral judgment on Rings of Power. Got it. It's a fantasy show. DMC, IlyaP, Ser Scot A Ellison and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 15 minutes ago, KingAerys_II said: Feanor is completely fine, the Valar freed Melkor, that returned back tto Valinor with Ungoliant to destroy the Trees, then Melkor stole the gems, in the end the Valar restored the light of the Trees by using Feanor gems. I just enjoy reading the book without moral judgement, it's fantasy book Like Wikipedia entry talk do you why. Corvinus85 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 14 minutes ago, Corvinus85 said: But you apply moral judgment on Rings of Power. Got it. Beat me to it. Corvinus85, Ser Scot A Ellison and IlyaP 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 1 hour ago, KingAerys_II said: Feanor is completely fine, the Valar freed Melkor, that returned back tto Valinor with Ungoliant to destroy the Trees, then Melkor stole the gems, in the end the Valar restored the light of the Trees by using Feanor gems. I just enjoy reading the book without moral judgement, it's fantasy book And that justified Fëanor and sons murdering people who had nothing to do with the theft? That justified Fëanor abandoning the larger part of the Noldor in a fit of pique? Fëanor, as described by the Professor, was an absolute turd. IlyaP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IFR Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 I feel like Rings of Power was borderline dadaistic anyway; might as well go full bore in a discussion about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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