Rhymes with Weak Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Not every fucking character is a secret Targaryen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 People hating secret targ theories annoy me. This theory has a good chance to turn out to be true. Maybe Tywin knew his seed was weak. Tyrion is his only trueborn child. Tywin could arrange the murder of Jaime and Cersei while they were young. However, bastards of Aerys grow beautiful and healthy. So he planned to continue his family through their lines. After all Joanna was a Lannister and carried the Lannister blood just like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyskeeveuk Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 People hating secret targ theories annoy me. This theory has a good chance to turn out to be true. Maybe Tywin knew his seed was weak. Tyrion is his only trueborn child. Tywin could arrange the murder of Jaime and Cersei while they were young. However, bastards of Aerys grow beautiful and healthy. So he planned to continue his family through their lines. After all Joanna was a Lannister and carried the Lannister blood just like him.This.I ger frustrated when people say 'it's poor writing for GRRM to do this,' or 'it'd ruin the books.' Not only would this bring amazing depth to the books, but given the evidence, it's quite likely. Even if it's not a preference.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludd Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 As I have said before there are a lot of secret and not so secret Targs1. The feeble witted daughter and her kids if any Lollys Stokeworth any one????)2. The son of Aerion the mad and his descendents (Darkstar?????)3. The third son of Egg ???? and his kids (Hodor????) or perhaps Daynes4. Jenny of Oldstones kids assuming she married Duncan the Small5. Descendents of Aegon the unworthy's many bastards6. Descendents of Elaena's 7 kids8. Blackfyres of any kind9. Starks who I suspect ALL have some Targ blood albeit many generations backand now the popular ones10. Jon son of Rhaegar?????11. Aegon (young Griff)12. Tyrion ( do not believe this one)13. Cersai (seems to fit)14. Jaime (he was accused of being a kinslayer so possible). Perhaps he will ride a dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludd Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Just to addThose we KNOW have some Targ bloodThe PlummsThe Baratheons -Stannis and Shireen but also Maya, Gendry and Edrik and any others that Cersai did not killMany of thr Dornish of House Martell so this will include all the Sand Snakes, Tristan and Arrianne.Long waters eg RenniferSo there are many, many , many Targs to choose from.What about bastard kids of the great bastards - kids of Blood raven or Bittersteel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 14. Jaime (he was accused of being a kinslayer so possible). Perhaps he will ride a dragonJaime was called kingslayer and not kinslayer.To the OP: I find the whole Aerys\Joanna thing to be ridiculous. Firstly, if Tywin was aware of this I find it hard to believe he would not retaliate as he is not one to suffer slights to the honour of House Lannister (remember the Tarbecks and Reynes). Secondly, if Tywin was not aware then I dont believe Joanna would have taken the risk in case the children were born with Targaryen looks. There is something called moon tea. Finally, there is a possibility that the Lannisters have Targaryen ancestry like the Baratheons or Martells. Egg had two sisters and either one of them could have married into House Lannister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbulas B. Harding Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 The only Lannister/Targ theory that I ever cared for at all was that the twins were Targs and Jaime would be the third head (Dany and J being the others)I think Tyrion's the essence of a self made man, a font of will and cunning and him being a child of prophecy or amongst some promised trinity would diminish so much from what is best about his character.Jamie, on the other hand, I adore the idea that he will be redeemed before Westeros and given a chance to shine as a great and glorious hero and the idea of him astride a dragon (if that's actually something being a head of the dragon implies) is a nice one... but I'd just as well see the broken knight captain an every growing army of wayward and displaced Westerosiwarriors as the leader of the Brotherhood without Banners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 To the OP: I find the whole Aerys\Joanna thing to be ridiculous. Firstly, if Tywin was aware of this I find it hard to believe he would not retaliate as he is not one to suffer slights to the honour of House Lannister (remember the Tarbecks and Reynes).Tywin sacked KL and almost put an end to House Targaryen. This is Tywin's retaliation, is it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Balerion Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 People hating secret targ theories annoy me. This theory has a good chance to turn out to be true. Maybe Tywin knew his seed was weak. Tyrion is his only trueborn child. Tywin could arrange the murder of Jaime and Cersei while they were young. However, bastards of Aerys grow beautiful and healthy. So he planned to continue his family through their lines. After all Joanna was a Lannister and carried the Lannister blood just like him.Agreed. I don't understand how people say they hate 'secret Targs theories'. I think even Jon is a 'secret Targ' theory. There may be many more secret Targs in these books. As for Jaime and Cersei being secret Targs - I think some people don't want Cersei to be a Targ because they don't like Cersei. But they don't mind Tyrion being a Targ because they 'like Tyrion'. There are lots of clues pointing to Jaime, Cersei being Aery's bastards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Tywin sacked KL and almost put an end to House Targaryen. This is Tywin's retaliation, is it not?No, it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A wilding Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Tywin: "We had come late to Robert's cause, and it was necessary to prove our loyalty." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurane Velaryon Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 I just can't see this being true. It's been noted many times that Jaime and Cersei have the quintessential Lannister look. Cersei even comments that Jaime looks like a younger version of Tywin in ASOS.Genna says that Jaime holds qualities of all of his uncles but he is Aery's son? how does that make any sense? the context of their conversation makes it clear what she is referring to. House Lannister needs a strong patriarch to be it's leader and protector, Tywin has always assumed that role, even as a boy. None of Tywin's brothers could hold a candle to Tywin then she lists off ways in which Jaime is like his uncles but lacks the strength/ruthlessness to be the patriarch that house lannister needs. Only Tyrion can fill that role since he and Tywin are so much alike.As for Aerys taking liberties with Joanna at her wedding, that could mean absolutely anything, not just full blown rape where everyone can see. inappropriate touching would count and be just as bad. I got the feeling that it had to be something bad but rather quick(in the time it takes them to get from the wedding to the bed), like he was fingering her or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Tywin sacked KL and butchered the Targaryens. He may just take the royal family into custody but he gave specific orders to the Mountain and Amory Lorch. If the royal family was spared, Targaryens can still have the iron throne with Aegon being the king, Robert King Regent and Jon Arryn as the hand. They could have raise their king as they like. Because of the mess Tywin made, they had no choice but destroy the Targaryen rule completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light a wight tonight Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Ultimate crackpot: Aerys refused the Rhaegar/Cersei marriage not because he wouldn't have his son marry the daughter of his servant but because they were half-siblings! Wait, Targs do incestuous marriages, don't they?Never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bael's Bastard Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Cersei and Jaime may have Lannister ancestry somewhere along the line, but I doubt anyone but Tywin and his wife are their parents, or Tyrion's for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikkel Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 This family photo clearly shows that they're all Lannisters through and through:http://9gag.com/gag/aqm79Ev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buried Treasure Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 The slight of Jaime beng named to the kingsguard was sufficient for Tywin to resign as Hand, his next action was at the end of the War so if his motive was retaliation it is logical to thin it was revenge for that slight. It makes a lot less sense that Joanna had an affair or was raped years earlier and Tywin continued to happily serve as Hand and take revenge 17 years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MsLibby Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Cersei and Jaime may have Lannister ancestry somewhere along the line, but I doubt anyone but Tywin and his wife are their parents, or Tyrion's for that matter. Their mother was a Lannister. Tywin married his cousin. In fact, she was Tywin's first cousin. Her father and his were bothers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Valicious Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I believe that if they were Targaryens Aerys wouldn't have opposed Rhaegar marrying Cercei. He would have welcomed it. He looked hard enough to find someone with the right blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welease Woger Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 What does "The dragon has three heads" mean? I think that implies the existence of three Targaryen heirs left. One, obviously is Daenerys. Who could be the other two? Jon seems to be a safe bet. Aegon would be Targ #3, but as everybody believes he is fake, there's one spot left. Obviously, it can't be Jaime and Cersei, as it would make four. So the best bet for a Lannister secret Targaryen would be Tyrion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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