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http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.ca/2012/11/asian-americans-destroy-makertaker.html?m=1

So, here's the problem: The narrative is wrong. Completely, utterly, wrong. The Democrats' appeal is not based on people "wanting stuff". And how do I know this? I know it because Asian-Americans voted for Obama by a 3-to-1 margin. Check this out:

So, for those of you who don't know this, Asian-Americans make more money than white Americans. Thus, they pay more income tax. And Asians are half as likely as the average American to be on welfare.

Thus, Asian-Americans, by the Romney/O'Reilly/French definition, are "makers", not "takers". Even more than whites. They're also more likely to be married. And to start businesses.

And yet Asian-Americans broke for Obama 3-to-1. David French should definitely be including them in his list of Obama's "core constituencies". The fact that he doesn't do so is a telling sign of "epistemic closure" - of conservatives not seeing what is plainly in front of them, preferring instead to repeat to themselves a pleasant, soothing, but false story.

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I have linked a couple of articles about him, one from a few years ago when he wrote his memoir. He not only championed desegregation but also was one of the first politicians to be concerned about the environment.

As an aside, i've recently been thinking about how great it is that Teddy Roosevelt did this -

http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h937.html

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Apparently even Rush is getting on the pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants, though of course he has to put it in the most condescending, dickholish terms possible.

He was just ranting about how "amnesty is coming now, and soon. Amnesty for all illegals!" So to combat that he said that he would agree with amnesty, he personally would allow it (showcasing once again his massive ego) if it came with one caveat: they wouldn't be allowed to vote for 25 years.

"Let's see how many of these compassionate Democrats want to allow it then!" he squealed to finish it off, as I'm sure he then signaled one of his interns to begin patting him on the back for being such a genius.

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S John,

I think you hit the nail on the head. If a State, even Texas, were to seriously try for secession capital would be running from that State faster than you can say "boo".

Just the hint that they are thinking of it will do that.

See: Montreal in the 1970s. Toronto is the capital of business and finance in Canada because of Quebec Separatism.

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well what would happen if Texas seceded?

First off, the President would refuse to recognize them, but would provisionally allow that they have to plan for the eventuality that they become a separate nation (I'm not sure but I think when Texas joined the United States and became a state they had a provision written into the agreement that they could split the state into four states if they wanted and that they could leave whenever they wanted), as such the United States would be suspending all contracts with all companies based in Texas until such time as the government can evaluate the validity of such contracts in the event that TX becomes a new nation as well as their validity in the event that TX is in open rebellion or a hostile power to the United States. We can't buy defense stuff from foreign countries can we?

Having induced a massive flight of business HQ out of TX and massive panic the next steps are simple.

The government--while saying it does not recognize TX as a separate country, must act as though it is a hostile power as well as plan for the eventuality that it might become a separate country and peaceful ally--as such transportation to and from TX by the other 49 states and US territories are provisionally suspended until these sorts of legal details can be sorted it out.

This means that within 24 hours, Road Blocks at every single interstate going into TX no one is allowed in or out via interstate, the same is done with rail, tearing up the rails if necessary; next work on the other various roads in and out of TX, but start with the interstate and have it shut down within a day.

Additionally all domestic flights are diverted from TX airports to other airports around the country. This can happen immediately, you don't even need 24 hours, only those planes that don't have enough fuel are allowed to land in TX if they're in the air when it goes into effect, most planes in the air will be diverted immediately from TX stops.

Next, the government--while saying it does not recognize TX as a separate country, must act as though it is a hostile power as well as plan for the eventuality that it might become a separate country and peaceful ally--as such water, oil, gas, communication, and power pipelines flowing to and from TX are immediately cut/shut down, this happens within 24 hours, with the army outposts placed at all the relevant points of such lines of utilities.

There, within two days, the government could effectively isolate TX from the rest of the country and wait for secession to implode without fighting a single battle.

Long term, get the government to stop having companies with satellites that provide service to TX to stop doing so, effectively cutting off cells and TVs. this may take a few weeks to set in place.

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S John,

I think you hit the nail on the head. If a State, even Texas, were to seriously try for secession capital would be running from that State faster than you can say "boo".

Agreed, though I do think Texas is one of the few states that could hypothetically do well enough on thier own. Maybe along with California. The population is large enough, they have a lot of rescources, coastal access, a sort of culture of thier own... etc. I guess there is a refferendum coming up here in Scotland to become its own nation. Its somewhat analagous, imo, to this hypothetical. What happens with, well... everything after that? Its not just about government but also the currency and legal and business ties. Who gets what? There's shared infrastructure, too. Not that I am on any side of that argument, but any western entity splitting off from its parent nation today (as opposed to 1861) has quite a bit more to consider than in those days. Might not be a disaster, but it would be a total pain in the ass for everyone involved.

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As an aside, i've recently been thinking about how great it is that Teddy Roosevelt did this -

http://www.u-s-histo...pages/h937.html

I could not agree more! I'll never see all the National Parks but I'm certainly glad they're there. I'll always have a very special place in my heart for the Theodore Roosevelt National Park. It's where I grew up and I spent quite a bit of my youth in the Badlands in and around the north unit of the park. Where I live now is my home, of course, but I'll always consider the Badlands of western North Dakota to be my home as well. If my ashes go anywhere when I leave this world it will be back home to the Badlands :)

Although TR didn't establish the park himself, it was a no-brainer for it to be established as a memorial to him. I found this site while looking around for this TR quote:

"I never would have been President if it had not been for my experiences in North Dakota," commented Theodore Roosevelt. He felt his experiences in the Badlands, initially as a sportsman hunter, and later as a rancher "took the snob out of him" and taught him to see people as worthy based on their character and accomplishments, rather than on their economic worth, formal education or social standing.

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Tracker,

I really like Texas and Texans. I don't have to agree with someone to enjoy their company.

Fine. You can get yourself a passport to make yearly visits to the People's Republican of Texas. But I don't need them producing or voting for any more presidential candidates.

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Am I going mad, or did John Boehner kinda-sorta back off from the repeal-Obamacare-now stance of the GOP?

Apparenly his twitter feed corrected for his actual words, he's back on repealing it.

Was talking to my Dad about this. We'll have four years of the ACA -> Will that be enough time for the socialism scare mongers to lose credibility?

We know red states like to decry spending as they sponge up benefits, I suspect many Repub voters will fall into this category.

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Am I going mad, or did John Boehner kinda-sorta back off from the repeal-Obamacare-now stance of the GOP?

Yep, sounds like he's come to grips with the fact that it's not going anywhere and is now set on using some of the more hated (by conservatives) elements as bargaining chips in whatever grand bargain may be coming.

Apparenly his twitter feed corrected for his actual words, he's back on repealing it.

Err, nevermind.

Was talking to my Dad about this. We'll have four years of the ACA -> Will that be enough time for the socialism scare mongers to lose credibility?

Since almost all the bill will be implemented by the end of 2014, I'd hope so. But probably not.

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