Chaircat Meow Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I read somewhere that this was based in about 20 people, this pool is not very trustable. Right, I was dubious. I think it was a Lord Ashcroft poll too and I wondered if the aim might be to dissuade the government from extending the franchise permanently.* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slurms McKenzie Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I do feel that 16 is a tad young myself. You're still a child at that age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex. Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Personally I think that anyone over the age of 70 also shouldn't be allowed to vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 It says a lot about how unconvincing everyone else was that Gordon Brown was able to inspire people enough to supposedly make a difference. Brown is capable of being inspiring, when he forgets about trying to be likeable and just speaks from the heart. He's still a bit pompous and long-winded, of course, but he's passionate and that comes over well. The people talking him up over this need to get a bit of a grip, agreed. One of his former allies, on the radio this morning, actually talked about how Cameron was 'deferring' to Brown's authority on this. I nearly choked. What I don't really understand, given that, is how come the Better Together peeps didn't get Tony Blair in on the action - surely they could have done? I mean, I can see how you'd be initially worried about associating yourself with all the controversy that he's created down the years, and perhaps he's hated even more in Scotland than I'm aware, but, well, Teflon Tony for a reason. I think you really, really underestimate how disliked he is in Scotland. Besides, Blair was perceived to be lukewarm about devolution, is not currently an MP and represented an English constituency: whereas Brown currently represents a Scottish constituency. Brown was a legitimate voice in the discussion, whereas Blair would have been seen as just another outsider. I heard this morning that 75% of the 16-18 year olds voted YES. Now, we had heard this group was actually not that inclined to vote for independence. Do people think this result is right: was there an especially massive swing to YES in that demographic? I don't think anyone really knew how younger voters would break. My experience is that many of them went for No, but this is quite a strong No area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex. Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Haha sending Blair up might have delivered a ten percent swing to the Yes vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BlackBear Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I've always quite liked Brown, poor sod should never have tried to be PM is all. And yeah sending Tony would be like sending Thatcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I've always quite liked Brown, poor sod should never have tried to be PM is all. Yeah, he comes across as a decent geezer, he's just a terrible PM. Haha sending Blair up might have delivered a ten percent swing to the Yes vote. Then they should have sent him as a secret agent pretending to support Yes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slurms McKenzie Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 You sly fox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernwarg Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 It's not particularly unreasonable for him to resign at this point. Even though I don't particularly like him he's achieved a lot for the SNP's cause and now they've lost the referendum he's unlikely to be there for there as leader if they do get another chance so why not step down now? He could hang around for negotiations for new powers but honestly I expect that's going to end up largely being about the Tories trying to manoeuver Labour into public positions which will lose them Scottish votes while giving themselves an English powerbase.Couldnt agree more. Salmond's well out of it. I predict Labour will get shafted down south while gaining little in Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltaran Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Right, I was dubious. I think it was a Lord Ashcroft poll too and I wondered if the aim might be to dissuade the government from extending the franchise permanently.* I do feel that 16 is a tad young myself. You're still a child at that age. I know the Lib Dems have put lowering the voting age into their manifesto, and I believe Labour are also considering it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinDonner Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I doubt either campaign could have afforded Blair, he's busy with the much more lucrative field of propping up Central Asian dictators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angalin Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Then they should have sent [Tony Blair] as a secret agent pretending to support Yes... That would have been very, very funny. I read somewhere that this was based in about 20 people, this pool is not very trustable. I read that too. Too small a sample size to be meaningful. I doubt either campaign could have afforded Blair, he's busy with the much more lucrative field of propping up Central Asian dictators. :ack: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin Manderly Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 The collective IQ and insights of the regulars is mind blowing and the mods maintain strict order. There are so few places where you can have (or mainly read, in my case) troll-free, intelligent political discussions on the internet. The mods are indeed quite proficient in keeping the amateur trolls off the forum and for professional paid trolls this forum is not too interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 It doesn't have the hallmarks of an organised conspiracy.I'd be surprised if anything untoward went on. The UK has a really good track record with election fraud and stuff.If you exclude Tower Hamlets and Birmingham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Which Tyler Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 The UK generally looks better if you exclude Birmingham mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltaran Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Most of those are around postal voting, rather than anyone stuffing ballot boxes or messing with the count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemiNymph Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 It's very interesting to hear that the young demographic go for No. I would have thought the young ones would go mostly for Yes. Parents' influnce? Or they have such nice and stable lives that they don't want change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 So Alex Salmond is accusing Westminster of reneging on pre-referendum promises and saying voters were tricked. It's great that he at least waited for the dust to settle before trying to stir up animosity and distrust between the sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BlackBear Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 It's very interesting to hear that the young demographic go for No. I would have thought the young ones would go mostly for Yes. Parents' influnce? Or they have such nice and stable lives that they don't want change? They didn't. Almost every poll I've seen has the younger voters going for Yes. http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/29279384 A survey, commissioned by Conservative peer Lord Ashcroft, said 71% of 16 to 17-year-olds voted for Scotland to be independent and 29% voted against. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/ampp3d/scotland-referendum-who-voted-yes-4286743 71% of 16-17 year olds voted yes. A much smaller 27% of the 65+s voted for independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaircat Meow Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 The 16-17 year old sample will have been small in that poll. If it was 2,000 people there won't even have been 100. Edit: there were only 14 16-17 year olds in the sample, so the 71% ought not to be taken seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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