If Rhaegar had lived, would he and Jon have liked each other?

[XSarellaX]

What the title says.
Would Rhaegar love him for being the child he had with the woman he loved? Hate him for being a boy instead of a girl? Would their personalidades clash, or would they take pleasure in being sullen together?

(This has probably being debated before, but what hasn't, really?)

[Orphalesion]

I assume Rhaegar would have loved his child.

 

As to whether their personalities would have clashed, nobody can say since Jon would have grown up into a completely different person if he had been raised by his actual parents and not as the "Bastard of Winterfell"

[TimJames]

For starters, I think Rhaegar kidnapped and impregnated Lyanna against her will. So that is going to color my answer to this question. If you disagree with this starting fact, then you would probably be better off skipping the rest of what I am about to say.

I think Rhaegar would not have been a good father. He strikes me as someone who sees his family as a means to an end. It was clear he was using Lyanna as a breeding cow for his outlandish prophecies, and he was more than willing to piss on his marriage to Elia in front of the whole kingdom and to abandon her and her children. I think Rhaegar would be either a distant and disinterested father (at best) or an over demanding father who wants his son to be the Prince That Was Promised (at worst).

If Jon Snow knew how bad Rhaegar hurt his mother, Jon would hate him.

Of course, this isn't to say he'd get the chance to know Rhaegar. If Lyanna was at the Red Keep as Rhaegar's unwilling salt wife, then Elia would be sympathetic to her plight and even help her escape (this would give Elia a way to get rid of Lyanna and Jon bloodlessly, and therefore ensure that Aegon's rights to the Iron Throne are not endangered).

[Crionic]

What the title says.
Would Rhaegar love him for being the child he had with the woman he loved? Hate him for being a boy instead of a girl? Would their personalidades clash, or would they take pleasure in being sullen together?

(This has probably being debated before, but what hasn't, really?)

 

 

Why are you assuming R + L = J as cannon? Sigh.

[A Bastard Snow]

I imagine Jon loving his Uncle Ned and hating Rhaegar.

[The Wolves]

I imagine Jon loving his Uncle Ned and hating Rhaegar.

Why?

[Hodor the Articulate]

I don't think Rhaegar and Jon are all that alike. They're both kinda broody, but Jon is described as "sullen", whereas Rhaegar was melancholic, so there won't be a personality clash, really. Jon might get sour over Rhaegar's melancholy, though.

[~DarkHorse~]

I don't think Rhaegar and Jon are all that alike. They're both kinda broody, but Jon is described as "sullen", whereas Rhaegar was melancholic, so there won't be a personality clash, really. Jon might get sour over Rhaegar's melancholy, though.

 

I think their leadership style is very similar. Their actions concern the bigger picture and they lay careful planning (assuming Rhaegar was conspiring with various Lords to overthrow Aerys) but they throw it all away for selfish desires (Jon saving Arya and Rhaegar running away with Lyanna for his third head). Good leaders but terrible communication skills.

 

I think people underestimate Rhaegar and Jon's similarities and over emphasise Jon being like Ned. That was Robb, not Jon. 

 

Jon has been shaped by Ned and he aspires to be his 'fathers' son but there is some Rhaegar in him seeping through. Saving Sam from the bullies was also like Lyanna. Overall, I see Jon as having three parents. Ned is his role model and the father of his heart but he has inherited some of his birth parents attributes.

 

Back to OP, I think Rhaegar would have been a distant father but loving in his own way. I think they would have understood each other and clashed over this. Giving the situation, I think there would have been too many complications for a perfect father/son relationship.  

[UnViserion]

For starters, I think Rhaegar kidnapped and impregnated Lyanna against her will. So that is going to color my answer to this question. If you disagree with this starting fact, then you would probably be better off skipping the rest of what I am about to say.

I think Rhaegar would not have been a good father. He strikes me as someone who sees his family as a means to an end. It was clear he was using Lyanna as a breeding cow for his outlandish prophecies, and he was more than willing to piss on his marriage to Elia in front of the whole kingdom and to abandon her and her children. I think Rhaegar would be either a distant and disinterested father (at best) or an over demanding father who wants his son to be the Prince That Was Promised (at worst).

If Jon Snow knew how bad Rhaegar hurt his mother, Jon would hate him.

Of course, this isn't to say he'd get the chance to know Rhaegar. If Lyanna was at the Red Keep as Rhaegar's unwilling salt wife, then Elia would be sympathetic to her plight and even help her escape (this would give Elia a way to get rid of Lyanna and Jon bloodlessly, and therefore ensure that Aegon's rights to the Iron Throne are not endangered).

 

:lol:

[Nictarion]

Jon would have liked Rhaegar. Everyone liked Rhaegar. Except Robert Baratheon.

Rhaegar would have loved his son. Most parents do. It takes a special kind of asshole not to love your own child. See Tywin, Randyll, etc.

[Texas Hold Em]

I don't think Rhaegar and Jon are all that alike. They're both kinda broody, but Jon is described as "sullen", whereas Rhaegar was melancholic, so there won't be a personality clash, really. Jon might get sour over Rhaegar's melancholy, though.

 

Rhaegar is more the musician.  He's the sensitive, artistic type.  Dreamy and perhaps prone to daydreaming and fantasizing.  How else did he jump to the conclusion that he was the dragon.  Jon is more practical, more down to earth.  I do not think they would have clashed at all.  There is no reason to think they would not get along. 

[Bael's Bastard]

The first time Jon ever picks up a harp he is going to shred.

[BRANDON GREYSTARK]

Jon would love Rhaegar until Rhaegar decides to upgrade from Lyanna to Margaery.

[UnViserion]

The first time Jon ever picks up a harp he is going to shred.

 

Ha! Can you imagine? :cool4:

[lancerman]

It depends on your opinion of the events.

1. Rheagar was the kidnapper/rapist. Then Jon would be pretty screwed up. Very much a Ramsay Bolton situation on both sides. I'm sure Jon would have mixed feelings. Rheagar would be his father, but also the man who shamed his mother. Rheagar on the otherhand would view Jon as a simple bastard. Which would be ironic.

2. Rheagar and Lyanna were in love and it was all mutual. Then Jon would be a passion child and Rheagar would have deep love for him, and Jon would probably have a deep admiration for his father risking the kingdom for love of his mother.

3. Rheagar was Lyanna was love and mutual BUT Rheagar was obsessed with prophecy and wanted to create the third head of the dragon and a the possible TPTWP. This is interesting as Rheagar might have high expectations for Jon and their relationship might be more business like. Remember how Rheagar was a big academic and one day he read something and decided to become a knight? It was like a job for him, not the honor it was for say Jamie. Jon's existence would be duty to him. Jon might have a little resentment for the pressure and I could see a serious Tyrion like existence of constantly trying to live up to your father's high expectations.

Of course this is all malleable depending on Rheagar's personality. Maybe he is just so good that even if he raped Lyanna in madness he would still love his son unconditionally because that's just how he is. We don't know enough about Rheagar. Which is the problem with a lot of threads predicting Rheagar's actions. It's easier to guess how Jon would react. But even that would be largely a reflection on his relationship with Rheagar, and we can't begin to guess how one of the parties will act.

[Wavey Sauce]

I am pretty sure father and son would like each other some what.....

[Ice Turtle]

If both of his parents lived I believe that Jon would be much closer to Lyanna. Jon seems to be drawn to down to earth people. Rhaegar is exact opposite.

 

Jon would probably like his father enough as a child, then they would go along horribly during Jons "I am angry teenager and want to be hero and warrior phase" and if they lived long enough they would become a little closer again once Jon matured.

[Wavey Sauce]

I am pretty sure father and son would like each other some what.....

 

For starters, I think Rhaegar kidnapped and impregnated Lyanna against her will. So that is going to color my answer to this question. If you disagree with this starting fact, then you would probably be better off skipping the rest of what I am about to say.

I think Rhaegar would not have been a good father. He strikes me as someone who sees his family as a means to an end. It was clear he was using Lyanna as a breeding cow for his outlandish prophecies, and he was more than willing to piss on his marriage to Elia in front of the whole kingdom and to abandon her and her children. I think Rhaegar would be either a distant and disinterested father (at best) or an over demanding father who wants his son to be the Prince That Was Promised (at worst).

If Jon Snow knew how bad Rhaegar hurt his mother, Jon would hate him.

Of course, this isn't to say he'd get the chance to know Rhaegar. If Lyanna was at the Red Keep as Rhaegar's unwilling salt wife, then Elia would be sympathetic to her plight and even help her escape (this would give Elia a way to get rid of Lyanna and Jon bloodlessly, and therefore ensure that Aegon's rights to the Iron Throne are not endangered).

 

You seriously think she was kidnapped against her will? A girl who was somewhat of A fighter made no noise. And 1 million other things

 

I mean even the lame TV show has scenes pointing at that

 

or are you just trolling

[Wavey Sauce]

I am pretty sure father and son would like each other some what.....

 

For starters, I think Rhaegar kidnapped and impregnated Lyanna against her will. So that is going to color my answer to this question. If you disagree with this starting fact, then you would probably be better off skipping the rest of what I am about to say.

I think Rhaegar would not have been a good father. He strikes me as someone who sees his family as a means to an end. It was clear he was using Lyanna as a breeding cow for his outlandish prophecies, and he was more than willing to piss on his marriage to Elia in front of the whole kingdom and to abandon her and her children. I think Rhaegar would be either a distant and disinterested father (at best) or an over demanding father who wants his son to be the Prince That Was Promised (at worst).

If Jon Snow knew how bad Rhaegar hurt his mother, Jon would hate him.

Of course, this isn't to say he'd get the chance to know Rhaegar. If Lyanna was at the Red Keep as Rhaegar's unwilling salt wife, then Elia would be sympathetic to her plight and even help her escape (this would give Elia a way to get rid of Lyanna and Jon bloodlessly, and therefore ensure that Aegon's rights to the Iron Throne are not endangered).

 

You seriously think she was kidnapped against her will? A girl who was somewhat of A fighter made no noise. And 1 million other things

 

I mean even the lame TV show has scenes pointing at that

 

or are you just trolling

 

 

:lol:

 

lmao I thought same thing, he has to be trolling

[sweetsunray]

You seriously think she was kidnapped against her will? A girl who was somewhat of A fighter made no noise. And 1 million other things

 

I mean even the lame TV show has scenes pointing at that

 

or are you just trolling

 

While I completely disagree with timjames' take on it, I think he believes it. He argues for it in what seems all seriousness. :)